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I’ve just begun looking at the 69A and have little knowledge of the model. There are two in upcoming auction, lot 23 and 25 in the link. Lot 23 has grooved receiver with Weaver scope but no barrel mounted front or rear sight (how much does this hurt?). Lot 25 has barrel mounted front and rear sights and sling (aftermarket?). I am interested in opinion on these. Worth taking a trip for a hands-on look or pass and wait for a better opportunity?
Thanks.
Mac
Big Mac said
http://www.reddingauction.com/July19.htmI’ve just begun looking at the 69A and have little knowledge of the model. There are two in upcoming auction, lot 23 and 25 in the link. Lot 23 has grooved receiver with Weaver scope but no barrel mounted front or rear sight (how much does this hurt?). Lot 25 has barrel mounted front and rear sights and sling (aftermarket?). I am interested in opinion on these. Worth taking a trip for a hands-on look or pass and wait for a better opportunity?
Thanks.
Mac
Hi Big Mac,
Welcome to the wonderful world of the Model 69! Wait for a better opportunity.
The first rifle (Lot 23) is a standard grooved catalog # G6902R that is simply missing the front and rear sights. The rear sight blank is not a Winchester supplied blank so they were likely owner removed. The G6902R is the most common version of the Model 69 by far and, as such, is the least valuable. The grooved receiver commenced after mid-1954 and does command a premium with shooters though. That particular rifle normally sells in the $400ish range due to the grooved receiver. The original sights were a 75C front and a 32B rear which are very common and easy to replace.
The second rifle (Lot 25) has some issues. It is another # G6902R but the stock is not original to the gun. The donor stock appears to be from a # G6941R which came with a right rear recess for the Lyman 57E/EW and sling swivels. Due to condition and parts mismatch it is a shooter or parts gun and would normally bring about $300, mostly due to the scarcer stock that is on it.
There are many, many variations and nuances to the Model 69, always good to ask questions. On a related note, The Winchester Model 69 – Evolution in Design book is currently being printed with an on-shelf date of August 10, 2020. Hopefully that resource will help guide you in future purchases.
Best Regards,
Jeff
WACA Life Member #6284 - Specializing in Pre-64 Winchester .22 Rimfire
Jeff,
Thanks so much for the very informative response. I’ll follow your advice and steer clear of these two 69A’s. I understand from another forum topic that you are not accepting pre-orders on the book so will watch for it on the release date. Please keep us posted on release and where it will be available for purchase.
Mac
BTBell, Thank you for your detailed instructions for replacing the reticule.
I did mine first then my brother-in laws. the eye pieces screw off and the two set screws hold the reticule in the brass tube. I removed the optics from both ends and an 1/8″ long 12″ drill bit to slide out the reticule. I tried to pick off the original solder but it was difficult. I had some stained glass experience and used a technique I learned, I heated the reticule with a torch and with pliers turned the end into a wet sponge with al little twisting action. Voile, four clean grooves, I set up a iphone stand with the magnifier app. pointed at the work. This now becomes a two person job. I stretch the unwaxed single filament across the groove and (Honey could you help me for a second) deftly applies a tiny bead of super glue to each groove. repeat for cross hair. First one took 20 minutes figuring everything out. second one five minutes tops. the alignment of the reticule back to find the screw threads took a couple of tries, have a pin line it up and push it through, you will get the first hole then keep going to get hem both. They won’t be perfect use the pin through the hole to align it up. Attach screws, put the optics back the way they were.
I hope this helps someone with a similar problem, if I were going to do this right with wire, I would make a jig to hold the wire tension then just a dab of solder, I may do just that considering the rarity of these old scopes.
Best Regards,
JBI
PS. I want to sight these In
JBI,
Glad it worked out for you, and thanks for the wet sponge solder removal trick – I’ll try that next time!
If you replace the floss with wire, let us know how it turns out. I’m quite happy with the result with the floss, so haven’t had a reason to try something different, but open to suggestions.
Enjoy your scopes!
Brad Bell
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