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October 21, 2017
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Hey Win Nut,. Slow down . You'll have a lot more fun and success if you learn what to look for before you have emotions involved in a purchase. Read, most of us bought books and read through back posts from years ago to yesterday. Our gun shows give you the opportunity to meet and discuss different aspects of collecting with members face to face with many examples in front of you. It's rare that you'll pass up on a perfect deal that won't reappear later with another great example.
I'm not trying to say you don't know what you are doing,or that you are wrong. I'm just suggesting. Besides you need to leave some of the good 9nes for me to find.

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October 22, 2017
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Good advice, Vince. We can't buy every nice gun that comes along just because it's a good deal on an interesting rifle. OTOH I didn't heed those wise words yesterday, carried out an armload. 😉

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October 23, 2017
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Haha Ill heed that advice.

October 25, 2017
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Winchester nut said
69A-Swivels-1.JPGImage Enlarger69A-Swivels-2.JPGImage Enlarger     Here are 2 pics of the swivels on the other 69A at the shop.  

Aftermarket. Sorry.   Big Larry

October 28, 2017
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    Sorry for delayed response, been at the ranch.  I didn't think they were Winchesters. Thanks for the reply.

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I just picked up a 72-22 No. G7250R with factory 5x sight and no other sights. looks like new. What is it worth?

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June 8, 2020
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johnirwinelectric@gmail.com said
I just picked up a 72-22 No. G7250R with factory 5x sight and no other sights. looks like new. What is it worth?

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JBI  

What ever you paid for it.

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June 8, 2020
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johnirwinelectric@gmail.com said
I just picked up a 72-22 No. G7250R with factory 5x sight and no other sights. looks like new. What is it worth?

Thanks,

JBI  

Hi John,

Vince is not really being a smart-aleck, they just do not come up for sale that often so there are really no consistent comps for them.  They seem to sell for whatever the highest bidder is willing to pay at the time.  Sometimes a moderate price but more frequently a crazy high price.

Since I know you recently inherited the rifle from your grandfather (and Vince didn't) your question is reasonable. 

I sent you an email regarding value and how we can estimate it a bit closer for you.

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June 8, 2020
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Thanks JWA,

I guess I could be clearer and relate what I know about these two G7250R's, My Father in law's brother found them in the early '70's and decided to buy the pair for $100.00, then decided he didn't want them after all and sold them to my Father in law. My brother in law cleaned the scopes in the mid 70's and wrecked the reticule in both scopes. The guns have sat and sat getting cleaned every few years. Recently my wife comes home and says "Honey can you do me a favor and get guns out of the car." I said yeah right! Her dad gave her his Custom Arms 30-06 deer rifle he won at a Dance 1st prize in 1951, the 72-22. I always knew there were two old matching .22's but I never knew the details until I saw them. Now I know why my father in law's brother has been pestering him for years to buy the guns back. I'll take more pictures of mine and some of the sister gun as well, I want to see if they are truly identicle.

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June 8, 2020
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Great story and looking forward to seeing the pictures.

As a Guest you won't be able to post them directly here but you can send them to my email address and I can post them for you.

The original $50 each purchase price kind of skews the comps for the G7250R, they have certainly appreciated in value dramatically!

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June 8, 2020
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JBI,
 
I've replaced/repaired cross hairs on a few of these old Winchester scopes, and it's really not too difficult.  If you want to give it a try (low risk, since your cross hairs are already broken), see below.  Take a few photos as you proceed to ensure you're clear on how everything was assembled.
 
Some people use special wire they purchase online, but I've found that using strands of UNWAXED dental floss (I use CVS) gives a nice "fine cross hair" result, and is probably much easier to work with.  Disassembly to get to the reticle is fairly straightforward - just remove the eyepiece and the reticle screw.  The reticle may slide out, or may require some persuasion.  I have used a metal clip from a pen for a hook, but see what works for you.
 
Once the reticle is out, you will likely see remnants of the old cross hairs with 4 little drops of solder.  Once you remove the solder (I use a razor blade), you will see underneath 4 little grooves that the cross hairs sit in.
 
Using a flat surface, ideally with markings to ensure the cross hairs are exactly perpendicular (graph paper, for example) I secure the reticle to the surface, with the cross hair side up.  I take a single strand of floss (note, this is nearly invisible!), tape it at one end on the surface, then run it over the reticle through the grooves, and secure to the surface on the other side.  This can take a couple of tries.  Once secured, I put a small weight (an opened paper clip) on the thread to add a bit of tension on both sides.  I use a magnifying glass to confirm that the cross hair is positioned properly across the grooves, then add a tiny dot of superglue to each groove to keep the hair in place.  Take special care not to get any glue on the inside of the reticle, as you WILL see it.  After drying, clip off the excess strand, and remove any glue on the outer cylindrical surface.
 
On reinstallation. take special care not to break your new cross hairs, and also to line up the reticle so that the reticle screw can be installed.
 
If you decide to do a full cleaning, be advised that the three lenses of the erector assembly are NOT identical (usually the front lens is different from the two toward the rear), so reassemble accordingly.
 
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Craig Stegall can repair scopes.  I will look for his number.  Maybe Bert has it?   He cleaned and repaired the one I have.  It was about $200.

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Craig Stegall can repair scopes.  I will look for his number.  Maybe Bert has it?   He cleaned and repaired the one I have.  It was about $200.  

I misplace his number.  If you find, please forward it to me.

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June 9, 2020
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Here are photos of John's very nice Winchester Model 72 - with the 5-X 'scope only, catalog # G7250R.  These are fairly rare.  This one has an 8-X 'scope rear adjustable mounting ring for some reason but other than that it looks all correct.

Based on what I see in the photos John's rifle was made sometime between March 1938 - March 1939.

 

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Craig Stegall, Portland, OR -  (503) 849-4184  

Thanks Jeff.  I found it last night but have been at the range all day.

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btbell said

Some people use special wire they purchase online, but I've found that using strands of UNWAXED dental floss (I use CVS) gives a nice "fine cross hair" result, and is probably much easier to work with. 
 
Once the reticle is out, you will likely see remnants of the old cross hairs with 4 little drops of solder.  Once you remove the solder (I use a razor blade), you will see underneath 4 little grooves that the cross hairs sit in.
 

I've used the tungsten wire you're referring to, but I like your idea better!  I also use super-glue.  Those "little grooves" make a BIG difference, because other reticle holders (such as those used on Winchester's original 1909 scopes) don't have them.  After you've done this a few times, it's about a half-hour job, so getting $200 for it is damned good pay if you can get it!

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I don't feel bad about using the floss rather than wire, as I know that some scope makers at the time used actual spider silk (including Black Widow!), and the floss is the next best thing.

I have a WW2-era Lyman Alaskan with a Lee Dot reticle where the cross hairs are nearly invisible, unless you know to look for them.  I'm guessing that it may have spider silk cross hairs.

Yes, the grooves are very helpful.  The first time I replaced cross hairs I didn't notice the grooves, and when I had it all put back together the cross hairs were noticeably off center.  Any small error in cross hair placement gets magnified, such that you really just have to go back and do it over.  I then noticed the grooves and quickly saw what they were for, and then got a very good result.

And yes, $200 seems a bit much, but perhaps that includes a full overhaul.  I'm an engineer, so would much rather take things apart myself....Wink

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After you've done this a few times, it's about a half-hour job, so getting $200 for it is damned good pay if you can get it!  

Craig took all of the glass out, cleaned every thing, replaced the cross hairs and put it all back together.  I'm sure he would charge way less just to replace the cross hairs.  It has been over 10 years ago so I don't recall what he uses to replace the cross hairs. 

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