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October 22, 2015 - 9:25 pm
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Newbie alert!  I recently purchased a model 1894 WRT in 30WCF, but it arrived without the decapping insert ?  

Anyone have information regarding decapping pins?  Or for any other 1894 WRT caliber?  If so, please advise.  ?

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A lot of 1894 Tools or Winchester Reloading Tools in general for that matter will be missing their original de-capping pin, as they’re easily lost. To find a correct original pin will take you some time, and most the pins out there will have the appropriate tool to go with them. Also doubt most people would sell you the pin separate from the Tool. 

There are a couple of guys out there that are making “reproduction” pins. You can usually stumble across them on Ebay. They are trying to pass them off as original pins and may even tell you they are original. One guy in California claims “he doesn’t know if they are original or not”. They are not. They usually will be slightly off on the dimensions of an original pin. They won’t have the correct markings on them and usually the bluing doesn’t match. There is a guy on the northeast that makes nearly identical “reproduction” pins that will come up for sale every once in a while. Most people probably wouldn’t know is pins are repos. His pins are expensive, well made, and you don’t see them for sell that often.

For the simple purpose of using the reloading tool, those Ebay pins are a good replacement.

Winchester produced quite a few different calibers in the 1894 Reloading Tool.

.236 U.S. Navy, .25-35, .25-35 short range, .30 Winchester (30-30), .30 Winchester Short Range, .32 Winchester Special, .303 Savage, .30 Army (30-40Krag), .30 Army Short Range, .32-40, 32-40 S.R., 38-55, 38-55 SR, 38-56 Winchester, 38-70, 38-72, 40-60, 40-65, 40-70, 40-72, 40-82, .42 Russian, .42 Berdan, .43 Spanish, 44-77 Patched, 45-60, 45-75, 45-90, 45-70 Model 1886 (45-70 F.P.), 45-70-330 Hollow Ball, 45-70-350 Solid Ball, 45-70 U.S. Gov’t, 45-70-500 U.S. Gov’t, 45-70 Marlin, 45-125 Express, .50 Carbine, .50-60-70 Musket, 50-95 Express, 50-100-450 Winchester, & 50-110 Express. 

And beyond those they made special order calibers as well.

Hope that gets you started in the right direction.

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Maverick

P.S. Please see my Reloading Tool Survey under the Research Forum Topic. If you end up catching the reloading tool bug or if you have a friend that already has, give me a shout. I’m always interested in discussing Winchester Reloading Tools. 

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Maverick said

A lot of 1894 Tools or Winchester Reloading Tools in general for that matter will be missing their original de-capping pin, as they’re easily lost. To find a correct original pin will take you some time, and most the pins out there will have the appropriate tool to go with them. Also doubt most people would sell you the pin separate from the Tool. 

There are a couple of guys out there that are making “reproduction” pins. You can usually stumble across them on Ebay. They are trying to pass them off as original pins and may even tell you they are original. One guy in California claims “he doesn’t know if they are original or not”. They are not. They usually will be slightly off on the dimensions of an original pin. They won’t have the correct markings on them and usually the bluing doesn’t match. There is a guy on the northeast that makes nearly identical “reproduction” pins that will come up for sale every once in a while. Most people probably wouldn’t know is pins are repos. His pins are expensive, well made, and you don’t see them for sell that often.

For the simple purpose of using the reloading tool, those Ebay pins are a good replacement.

Winchester produced quite a few different calibers in the 1894 Reloading Tool.

.236 U.S. Navy, .25-35, .25-35 short range, .30 Winchester (30-30), .30 Winchester Short Range, .32 Winchester Special, .303 Savage, .30 Army (30-40Krag), .30 Army Short Range, .32-40, 32-40 S.R., 38-55, 38-55 SR, 38-56 Winchester, 38-70, 38-72, 40-60, 40-65, 40-70, 40-72, 40-82, .42 Russian, .42 Berdan, .43 Spanish, 44-77 Patched, 45-60, 45-75, 45-90, 45-70 Model 1886 (45-70 F.P.), 45-70-330 Hollow Ball, 45-70-350 Solid Ball, 45-70 U.S. Gov’t, 45-70-500 U.S. Gov’t, 45-70 Marlin, 45-125 Express, .50 Carbine, .50-60-70 Musket, 50-95 Express, 50-100-450 Winchester, & 50-110 Express. 

And beyond those they made special order calibers as well.

Hope that gets you started in the right direction.

Sincerely,

Maverick

P.S. Please see my Reloading Tool Survey under the Research Forum Topic. If you end up catching the reloading tool bug or if you have a friend that already has, give me a shout. I’m always interested in discussing Winchester Reloading Tools. 

Thank you, Maverick.  I appreciate the time it took to share this information.  Not being able to easily contact either of the two people you said could fabricate a decapping pin, I have endeavored to construct one myself.  I have a set of accurate dimension of both the 1894 reloading tools & the SAAMI specs for 30WCF – interior & exterior measurements.  I’ll keep you posted. 

Say, do you know of anyone with a copy of “Winchester Reloading Tools” by Lewis E. Yearout…or where I could get one?

Best Regards ?

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I would like too know if the is any information on different . Decapper pins sizes 25 35  .32 win special 32 40  38 55 and 30 30 . Thanks Very Much Keith from Canada.

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Well to quickly answer your question (and it may seem obvious for me to state this), I don’t know of the specific measurements for each caliber pin. A couple of reasons why. I’d have to check and see if I have a original pin for each caliber you listed. Then there is the model Tool for which pin would be utilized. Granted all 5 calibers you listed were made for the 1894 Tool only but the 32-40 & 38-55 were also made in the 1891, 1888, & 1880 Tools. Which each one model of those has a different shaped pin. 

If we are specific to the 1894 Tool, then basically all of the 5 calibers you listed will have different dimensions. If your trying to make/reproduce pins, the diameter needs to slightly smaller than that of the mouth of the cartridge and the overall length needs to be slightly longer than the overall length of the cartridge in order to work properly. You might could make yourself a .32 caliber diameter pin that would work for both the 32w.s. & 32-40. Or even make a .25 caliber diameter pin that would de-cap all 5 calibers.

The original pins were made for each corresponding caliber to the corresponding tool and marked so. This is essentially why you can’t merely swap out the dies from one tool to the other. 

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Hello Maverick,

I’m looking for possible detailed measurements for the decapping pin from a Winchester 1894 .32 WS loading tool.  The tool, while in fantastic shape, has managed to lose the decapping pin somewhere along its lifetime.  I have seen photos of the tool and it appears it not only decaps, it also expands the cartridge neck to allow a cast bullet to enter without shaving lead from it.  I do have a metal lathe and have made a reproduction which works great for decapping only since I have no way of guessing at the flare dimensions or the original.  My decapper is straight sided so will not expand the case neck.  I’m certain this reloader is intended only for black powder use and with the matching original Winchester bullet mold in 32 WS, I would really like to try this outfit out for my 1894 Winchester 32 special made in 1908.  If you could provide detail measurements, or know of someone who could, I would greatly appreciate any help I could  get!

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Hello Maverick,

I’m looking for possible detailed measurements for the decapping pin from a Winchester 1894 .32 WS loading tool.  The tool, while in fantastic shape, has managed to lose the decapping pin somewhere along its lifetime.  I have seen photos of the tool and it appears it not only decaps, it also expands the cartridge neck to allow a cast bullet to enter without shaving lead from it.  I do have a metal lathe and have made a reproduction which works great for decapping only since I have no way of guessing at the flare dimensions or the original.  My decapper is straight sided so will not expand the case neck.  I’m certain this reloader is intended only for black powder use and with the matching original Winchester bullet mold in 32 WS, I would really like to try this outfit out for my 1894 Winchester 32 special made in 1908.  If you could provide detail measurements, or know of someone who could, I would greatly appreciate any help I could  get!

Thank you,

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The flare dimensions should be easy to figure. You only need the mouth’s inside diameter as large as the bullet diameter, and only about 1/8″ deep. If you have a lathe, making a pin should be a snap. I made one for my 38WCF tool by carefully grinding down a bolt shank. The trickier part is to match the bullet profile so the pin seats in the tool properly. I have a matching mold, so I had something to go by. Here’s a picture of my crude but functional pin.

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I misread the caliber, I though you wanted 32 wcf’

The longer rifle calibers never did have a flare built into the decapping pins. They had that built into the loading tool itself . On  the 1894 tool it was on the end of the screw in die.

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Here is a picture of a 1894 tool die with the flare nipple on the end. The flare would be the same for all 32 calipers. This one measures .335″ at the largest diameter.

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Here are pictures of the 1888 tool  with the flare nipple as part of the handle hinge and a 1891 tool with the flare nipple recessed into the end of the die cavity cap.

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Gary Long,

As Bob / 1873Man has stated basically you just need to use the flare at the bottom of the die.

To quote the original instruction sheet. “TO RELOAD THE CARTRIDGE.  Use the plug which accompanies the outfit to knock out the primer. A projection at the base of the die A is made, upon which to open the mouth of the shell. The primer may then be inserted. For this purpose a fork is made on the slide formed to hold the head of the shell (see cut). A projection is also made on the end of the lever opposite. The tool, by the motion of the lever, will pinch the primer into the shell. Powder can then be poured into the shell, and the bullet inserted by hand. It should be remembered that the die is a vital part of this tool. The most accurate work has been done upon it. It can be spoiled by allowing it to rust, or by scraping it with a sharp tool. Dirt should be kept out of it by wiping. Nothing harder than wood should be used in cleaning it out. In using, the die or shell should be slightly oiled. When thus assembled, the cartridge may be put into the die, and the loading completed as above described. A set comprising bullet mold, charge-cup and primer extractor accompanies the tool. The tool weighs two pounds.”

Only the 1880, & 1882 Model Tools used the decapper with the flarred end, which wasn’t patented until 1882. All later Model Tools (the 1888, 1891, 1894) had a provision on them for widening the mouth of the spent cartridge shell. The 1875 Tool only used / was designed to use a straight unflarred decapping pin. But an effective method for flarring the mouth of the shell on the 1875, 1880, & early 1882 Tools would have been to press the shell against the bottom of the rounded portion of the die of the said tool. It would have slightly opened the mouth up enough to serve the same purpose. 

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