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Winchester and the 30 WCF name swap
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It is my understanding that other manufactures rebranded the 30 WCF the 30-30, so they didn’t have to put Winchesters name on their own brand of rifles. But the thing that makes me scratch my head is, why did Winchester adopt it for it’s own guns? Why not keep the WCF?

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Matt Herman said
It is my understanding that other manufactures rebranded the 30 WCF the 30-30, so they didn’t have to put Winchesters name on their own brand of rifles. But the thing that makes me scratch my head is, why did Winchester adopt it for it’s own guns? Why not keep the WCF?  

To avoid ammo confusion.

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I suppose, but there are examples out there where that’s not the case, WSM, RSAUM, .284 Winchester, .260 Remington, .35 Remington just to name a few….

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Matt Herman said
It is my understanding that other manufactures rebranded the 30 WCF the 30-30, so they didn’t have to put Winchesters name on their own brand of rifles. But the thing that makes me scratch my head is, why did Winchester adopt it for it’s own guns? Why not keep the WCF?  

A lot of the changes in nomenclature is due to the Federal Government. Nomenclature used prior to the 1920s was generally to each manufacturers desires or liking. The Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers’ Institute (SAAMI) was founded in 1926 at the request of the federal government and tasked with creating and publishing industry standards for safety, interchangeability, reliability and quality, coordinating technical data and promoting safe and responsible firearms use. SAAMI consisted of all the major arms manufacturers of the day. The institute along with other government groups i.e. National Bureau of Standards (NBS), etc. pushed for standardization across the board. Which in hindsight was a good thing, especially when it came to war production, and generally better overall for commerce.

Kind of wish they would look at it again, as I think its a pain to have to both US and Metric tools when working on all my equipment and automobiles. Went to change all my brake pads recently. I couldn’t find the right sized socket for the bolts on the rear. They’re different than the front. Ending up having to buy an 18mm, which my tool set didn’t have. It had a 17 and 19 but not 18. Go figure!

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Matt,

Winchester changed all of their older barrel and cartridge “W.C.F.” designations to “WIN.”

25-20 W.C.F. — 25-20 WIN.

25-35 W.C.F. — 25-35 WIN.

270 W.C.F. — 270 WIN.

30 W.C.F. — 30-30 WIN.

32 W.C.F. — 32-20 WIN.

348 W.C.F. — 348 WIN.

This change began in the year 1948 and was completed in the early 1950s, and it was not an abandonment of the “Winchester” designation. Instead, it was a clearer (more direct) delineation of their name.

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Maverick wrote:

Kind of wish they would look at it again, as I think it’s a pain to have to both US and Metric tools when working on all my equipment and automobiles. Went to change all my brake pads recently. I couldn’t find the right sized socket for the bolts on the rear. They’re different than the front. Ending up having to buy an 18mm, which my tool set didn’t have. It had a 17 and 19 but not 18. Go figure!

If the U.S. would join the rest of the planet and switch to the much more logical metric system then you would only need half the tools!  Imagine how much lighter that tool box would be and our backs much happier.  Laugh Everyone else in the world seems to be able to use the metric system except us little old Americans.

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And my guess is that 18mm socket rolled away to some dark corner a few years ago!  But major props for still being one of us few who actually still work on our cars.  My daughter and I put a new A/C fan switch in the dash of her Ford Escape.  It only worked on High speed which is not real comfortable at times.

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It all makes sense, thanks for the replies! And I too wish we could just move to metric system, but maybe not now as I have so much invested in two sets of the same tools : )

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