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Hello again! I wanted to see if I could start a new topic rather than carry on a somewhat related but different topic: https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-memorabilia/winchester-ammunition-box-design-dates/

I wanted this topic to try and stay more in line with the vintage lineage. Maybe we can get a subform specifically for historical Winchester and even Western ammunition cartridges and boxes.

Anyhow, this is what I have been working on specifically for the 44-40. Starting back in 1873 and working my way to the present day. Much help from many internet sites, forums, books and auctions…I have put together a booklet. The booklet is in PDF form and has pages that look something like this…….

 

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This is a continued work in progress and the plan is to edit/update weekly. I failed English 101 so it can be brutal at times. The PDF link is located on the 44-40 website here: https://sites.google.com/view/44winchester/cartridge-boxes  Scroll down and click the Version 2-19-2020 for the latest update.

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Not sure if this applies but 1906 was the beginning of date marked two piece Winchester ammo boxes

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AG said
Not sure if this applies but 1906 was the beginning of date marked two piece Winchester ammo boxes  

Thanks Ag, that is information I am looking for. Can you be a bit more specific?

For the 44-40 caliber, according to Giles & Shuley the (early 1860’s) 50-round “half-split” “two-piece” boxes were replaced by the “two-piece” (end-sealed) boxes starting around 1920. The .22 cal used 100-round and some rimfire and other centerfires also used the “half-split” “two-piece” boxes and followed the same basic timefram transition to the full-cover two-piece boxes around 1920.

The larger Winchester rifle cartridges used the 20-round “two-piece” box beginning in the 1870’s on up through WWII.

 

5932c85f-b1d4-43b9-b302-90ede79b8791_fullsize.jpgImage Enlarger 1873 44-40 half-split two-piece box

 

1923-1928-K-Code-b-Label-Wrap.jpgImage Enlarger1920’s 44-40 full cover two piece box

 

1952-18-June-MF81-a.jpgImage Enlarger 1946 44-40 one-piece box that started about 1928

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1.jpgImage Enlarger2.jpgImage Enlarger3.jpgImage EnlargerKind of neat to watch all the data come together.

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Great post & info. Thank you Jack.

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In my continued effort to research vintage 44-40 ammunition ballistics, I have finished the replica pressure testing result videos using Winchester modern factory ammunition, Buffalo Bore factory ammunition, black powder loads, vintage and modern as well as Lyman’s 49th handloading manual loads as well as some custom loads.

Nothing is perfect but I learned a lot about many things.

I have added eight youtube video links to the website:
https://sites.google.com/view/44winchester/chasing-the-44-40/handloading-introduction/pressure-testing/pressure-trace-videos

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Here is a target showing test 72 and my preferred load

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