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Hokie:
I’ll see what I can do about your “Membership Since Date”. I had to get mine fixed also.
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Mr. Merz,
The “extrapolation” of numbers for a particular item in a batch or sample is simply a statistical means to produce a best guess. They also come in handy when dealing with samples that have a qualitative vs. quantitative value, or qualities between two or more samples. Im no statistics whiz by any means (I did stay at a Holliday Inn Express one time–ha) and I am no fan of “extrapolated” numbers for a given population (i.e. guns or their variations) because it does give a false impression of an otherwise unknown reality. Now, if you were to take the entire population of 1876’s produced and went line for line through each ledger entries calling out the caliber, features and so on, and at the end you have solid quantitative numbers regarding undisputed counts of different qualities, and then applied the percentages based on their know (according to the ledger) occurrence, then your getting somewhere in terms of what “should” be out there and how rare a particular rifle or feature is in actuality. In the absence of this type of in depth study, and the lack of complete records for some models, your left with guessing beyond what you have observed to be extant.
As my old archaeology professor used to say, a percentage is good when describing an item or groups of items, but you better have the nut (the #’s) to back those percentages up or they are meaningless beyond a best guess.
As with any other field, as it was in archaeology, you accept the shortfalls of those that came before, understand what they accomplished and by what means they were accomplished, appreciate the foundations they have laid and give them praise, try to correct past misconceptions or errors to inform others, but never kill them in print.
Chris Hartman
1892takedown @sbcglobal.net ......NRA Endowment Life Member.....WACA Member
"God is great.....beer is good.....and people are crazy"... Billy Currington
Chris
I don’t know much about extrapolation so I’m grateful for the well written explanation. I have wondered about the accuracy also. I have wondered if in some cases there are a larger number of special order, special option or rare calibers guns in these surveys because more of them survived in collections and are now there or showing up in auctions over the years. Perhaps at the same time the standard issue guns would be less seen in the totals as they were wore out and never made it to the collections being surveyed. So, any guesses if the the surveys are skewed by too many special order guns recorded in relation to the actual numbers?
You should do more writing.
Thanks,
Brad
Thanks Brad.
Your right, any survey can be skewed based on what your seeing in collections, auctions, excreta. Some collections may not come to light until someone dies, or has the need to sell. Maybe they were 90 yrs old and had been collecting for 60 years never selling a gun from the collection. Not to mention the guns as heirlooms and passed from generation to the next. I wouldnt be surprised to find that the “fancy” guns may be overrepresented in some surveys, because we as individuals have placed a higher value on them as collectors (even back then as original owners) they have a higher survival rate over the others because they arent the run of the mill gun, and as we see today, they are more actively sought after and held in collections or traded amongst the many dealers/collectors.
To give you an example, and this is just a run of the mill 94 short rifle, l sold a 94 short rifle 2 years ago at the Tulsa show. I found my old gun for sale on a table the next aisle 2 days ago. Out of 4-5000 tables in the show, not to mention that it changed hands three times since I sold it, traveled from the northeast, to my house in Texas, to the Cody show, and back to Tulsa not 50 feet from where I originally sold it. I guess what Im trying to say is that these things tend to make the same circles, possibly because of what they are–collectible.
There may be some predictive models out there that can take you beyond an extrapolated % but I havent quite wrapped my head around them or determined if they are worth the time to pursue. Years ago I discussed my 1892 TD Survey with my old professor (Dr. C. McNutt, a statistician) regarding predictive models and he told me no matter whether we are talking about stone tools at an archaeological site or how many takedown rifles were made out of a million produced, in the absence of the entire tome of records for that Model or visual inspection of every example produced, all you can do is provide a best guess based on what you have observed. That number your trying to attain will never fully be know unless you have substantial proof they exist. And even then, if there are mistakes, as in sometimes in the ledgers, even in the slightest, absolutes can not be know. The best you can do as an author is to inform the reader of the means and methods used in your survey, the sample size, and the quantities or qualities observed. Then the reader has the opportunity to decide for themselves the validity of your findings.
I remember the first day of his class he posed the question something along these lines: If your reading a site report for the Savannah River Valley that is telling you that at Site A there is an overwhelming representation of Clovis projectile points based on 25% recovery of Clovis projectile points through pedestrian survey or excavation but dont provide the “nut” or number of projectile points included in the survey, you have to assume based on what your reading, and without any additional information provided, that 1 in 4 projectile points were recovered or surveyed. Now, 25% of something sounds like a big number, but not so much so when your survey size is 4.
Chris
1892takedown @sbcglobal.net ......NRA Endowment Life Member.....WACA Member
"God is great.....beer is good.....and people are crazy"... Billy Currington
Hi LeRoy,
Great posts. You hit the nail on the head!
Thanks
Walter Blake
5123
Reading all posts with interest, and laughing along the way, there are obviously many aspects I personally agree with, and disagree with.
The basic foundation of WACA has been stated, and as collectors, hobbyists, and enthusiasts, the Forum value is great. It is a tremendous learning vehicle for the many opportunities there are to learn and build on the history and growth of Winchester, and what they were thinking and building. ( I really wish we had the valuable treasure trove of past posts to draw from ). Also, the experiences being shared are an enjoyable read.
As a self-described pragmatist, definition is necessary to establish the value of something. Multiple definitions will create chaos and disagreement.
The free market will prevail, and as long as there is a profit motive involved, there will be dissension, depending on what the objective is.
Caveat Emptor is the rule, and the unwise are, well, unwise and subject to poor buying.
For this asshole, 1898 is the date, and from the best information available. Definition by caliber is pushing the credibility of antique, and is used only for the profit motive. It actually increases the ” 100,000 ” base previously referred to. Maybe rarity defines better obsolete caliber, not antique. Define what part of ” antique ” you’re selling under.
As to what value, the market will define it, but the seller must be aware of how liberal to push it. An excuse gun or true antique ?
A collector association can certainly discuss the subject, and debate the issue. As long as the association has no position, talk away, and enjoy the freedom to see how others see it.
Thanks for the opportunity to contribute.
Bill Coppock
Hi
What is wrong with profit? I thought the discussion around the Madis and Cfm records were on another site. LeRoy wants to put the fun back. And I agree. After my father passed, he left me with a few average Winchesters. I bought the Madis book and starting studying. My first purchase was a’92 Trapper with a lot of blue. I did not what blue was at the time. The dealer was nervous about putting it on the table. I was young and dumb at the time.
The next Winchester I bought was a 1873 Deluxe engraved 20 inch short rifle. It is a decent gun with a letter. It had been marked down 3 times to $1750 as the dealer was selling for a client that was buying Volcanics. I did not have all the cash. the dealer took my cash and a check. (remember the old gun shows) That was all the money I had at the time.
The 1873 above is in a study of these. This is what it was like 25+ years ago at gun shows. Local gun shows are a joke today. The guns above were bought at local shows.
At 65 I guess I am still a whippersnapper
Walter Blake
Good Evening From the Twilight Zone,
It’s 8:15 pm 13 April 2015 (don’t forget, your taxes are due in 27 hrs 45 mins)
Yes, it Really is the Twilight Zone, The Sun has gone Down, the Stars are coming out, there is a slight breeze blowing, plus the air is still warm from our 75 degree day.
Le Roy, I’m all geared up and ready to roll, I made an extra pack of cigarettes, I have my Cup of Green Tea, Just Missing that Sweet Secretary.
As All of You Should be Aware of, If It’s Posted On The Internet, It Has To Be TRUE ! So just look to your Left and look at my Avatar and Information That is Posted. Do Not ASSUME what you read is TRUE. Like Some People Do and I Quote.
Quote: “In regards to the Model 64 discovery, you and I must have came to the same conclusion at about the same time. However (unlike you), I went forward with it and wrote an article to help dispel the urban myth… hopefully it did not ruin your market for price depressed drilled & tapped Model 64 Rifles and Carbines.”
It Seems to Me that Statement was Derived from what was being Read. ME Being a WACA Member Since February 1 2012 ? People, That Is Totally Wrong. My Membership #4708 is from around the Time Frame of the Year 2000, (I Think). At least that is the Earliest Winchester Collector I Have in My Possession (if I am wrong,go ahead and crucify me,I don’t keep receipts that long). As I Stated in an Earlier Post in this Thread, I Dispelled The Urban Myth (to me anyways) at Least 35 Years Ago, By Making My Template (to prove to me) that Model 64 Winchesters were Drilled and Tapped From the Factory, Without Writing An Article About It. Did I want to tell everybody my secret, NO. Because, I was the One That Was Reaping The Benefits, of Realizing that Model 64 Winchesters Were Drilled and Tapped From The Factory, Back in the Day. Was My Method Correct, Back Then (to me), Yes It Was. Common Knowledge is, If You Want To Reference a single Point, The Easiest Way to do it is to Triangulate that Point. I Took It One step Further and Made My Template Utilizing All the Screw Holes in a Winchester Model 64 Receiver.
Do I Want To Write Articles About Winchesters. I Don’t Think So (maybe just a little prose), As I Feel I am an Open Book. Will I share My Gained Knowledge with Other People ? Yes I will, I Have Done So, I Have shared Part of My Collection With Members Doing Surveys about Certain Model Winchesters or Their Variants. I Like to share My Thoughts and Experiences With Other People (even though they think, i’m really from the Twilight Zone).
I would Like to Write More, But it is 10:10 pm 13 April 2015,,
Time to go to Bed, In The Twilight Zone,,
hokie
"I Would Have Rather Lived Through The Industrial Revaluation"
"Instead of The Space Age"
From
The Twilight Zone
hokie Good idea about the template I just have to ask a couple questions out of curiosity. Did you make the template from a 50’s 94 that you knew for sure was original by the factory? I assume that Winchester would have used identical positioning for any factory tapping thru all manufacture, and what reference points on the template to check hole location relationship to the receiver ?
Phil
EDIT OK looking at a gun , the simplest template could be just a flat piece , referencing from the hammer pivot screw , and the lifter pivot screw. ?
hokie said
Good Evening From the Twilight Zone,
It’s 8:15 pm 13 April 2015 (don’t forget, your taxes are due in 27 hrs 45 mins)
Yes, it Really is the Twilight Zone, The Sun has gone Down, the Stars are coming out, there is a slight breeze blowing, plus the air is still warm from our 75 degree day.
Le Roy, I’m all geared up and ready to roll, I made an extra pack of cigarettes, I have my Cup of Green Tea, Just Missing that Sweet Secretary.
As All of You Should be Aware of, If It’s Posted On The Internet, It Has To Be TRUE ! So just look to your Left and look at my Avatar and Information That is Posted. Do Not ASSUME what you read is TRUE. Like Some People Do and I Quote.
Quote: “In regards to the Model 64 discovery, you and I must have came to the same conclusion at about the same time. However (unlike you), I went forward with it and wrote an article to help dispel the urban myth… hopefully it did not ruin your market for price depressed drilled & tapped Model 64 Rifles and Carbines.”
It Seems to Me that Statement was Derived from what was being Read. ME Being a WACA Member Since February 1 2012 ? People, That Is Totally Wrong. My Membership #4708 is from around the Time Frame of the Year 2000, (I Think). At least that is the Earliest Winchester Collector I Have in My Possession (if I am wrong,go ahead and crucify me,I don’t keep receipts that long). As I Stated in an Earlier Post in this Thread, I Dispelled The Urban Myth (to me anyways) at Least 35 Years Ago, By Making My Template (to prove to me) that Model 64 Winchesters were Drilled and Tapped From the Factory, Without Writing An Article About It. Did I want to tell everybody my secret, NO. Because, I was the One That Was Reaping The Benefits, of Realizing that Model 64 Winchesters Were Drilled and Tapped From The Factory, Back in the Day. Was My Method Correct, Back Then (to me), Yes It Was. Common Knowledge is, If You Want To Reference a single Point, The Easiest Way to do it is to Triangulate that Point. I Took It One step Further and Made My Template Utilizing All the Screw Holes in a Winchester Model 64 Receiver.
Do I Want To Write Articles About Winchesters. I Don’t Think So (maybe just a little prose), As I Feel I am an Open Book. Will I share My Gained Knowledge with Other People ? Yes I will, I Have Done So, I Have shared Part of My Collection With Members Doing Surveys about Certain Model Winchesters or Their Variants. I Like to share My Thoughts and Experiences With Other People (even though they think, i’m really from the Twilight Zone).
I would Like to Write More, But it is 10:10 pm 13 April 2015,,
Time to go to Bed, In The Twilight Zone,,
hokie
Hokie, Hate to do it but we will have to delay the interviews for that cute secretary for you… Gotta work on my taxes. Thanks for the reminder and thanx for sharing Yet another great post from the Twilight Zone…… LeRoy
1892takedown said
Mr. Merz,
The “extrapolation” of numbers for a particular item in a batch or sample is simply a statistical means to produce a best guess. They also come in handy when dealing with samples that have a qualitative vs. quantitative value, or qualities between two or more samples. Im no statistics whiz by any means (I did stay at a Holliday Inn Express one time–ha) and I am no fan of “extrapolated” numbers for a given population (i.e. guns or their variations) because it does give a false impression of an otherwise unknown reality. Now, if you were to take the entire population of 1876’s produced and went line for line through each ledger entries calling out the caliber, features and so on, and at the end you have solid quantitative numbers regarding undisputed counts of different qualities, and then applied the percentages based on their know (according to the ledger) occurrence, then your getting somewhere in terms of what “should” be out there and how rare a particular rifle or feature is in actuality. In the absence of this type of in depth study, and the lack of complete records for some models, your left with guessing beyond what you have observed to be extant.
As my old archaeology professor used to say, a percentage is good when describing an item or groups of items, but you better have the nut (the #’s) to back those percentages up or they are meaningless beyond a best guess.
As with any other field, as it was in archaeology, you accept the shortfalls of those that came before, understand what they accomplished and by what means they were accomplished, appreciate the foundations they have laid and give them praise, try to correct past misconceptions or errors to inform others, but never kill them in print.
Chris Hartman
Chris thank you for a good definition of extrapolation. If I’m understanding it correctly then in my opinion this isn’t a useable form of arriving at a realistic correct number of Manufactured Firearms. Trying to make using extrapolation applicable for this purpose it seems would be a waste of a lot of people’s time. Leroy
Bert H. said
Mark,
I have to jump in and state… you are turning into a literary giant!! I had no idea that you had that much talent bottled up just waiting to get out
In regards to the Model 64 discovery, you and I must have came to the same conclusion at about the same time. However (unlike you), I went forward with it and wrote an article to help dispel the urban myth… hopefully it did not ruin your market for price depressed drilled & tapped Model 64 Rifles and Carbines.
So, you have one of the (300) the Bible says exists… my “bible” (research survey) has (89) Deluxe Carbines listed in it thus far, and with an extrapolated total of 4,370 that were manufactured. Of course, this is just BBBBBBert’s opinion.
Model 64 Extrapolated Caliber and Variation Type Totals Caliber Totals % Variations Totals % 30 W.C.F. 39849 59.67% Sporting Rifles 38646 57.87% 32 W.S. 16575 24.82% Deer Rifles 16598 24.85% 219 ZIPPER 6039 9.04% Total Rifles 55243 82.72% 25-35 W.C.F. 3615 5.41% Carbines 7169 10.74% 32-40 264 0.40% Deluxe Carbines 4370 6.54% 38-55 441 0.66% Total Carbines 11540 17.28% 66,783 100.00% 66,783 100%
Good Morning From The Twilight Zone,
It’s, 6:40 am 14 April 2015, It’s Raining in My Time Zone, But What the Heck, April Showers, Bring May Flowers.
Yes I Do Have One (1), Pre War, Winchester Model 64 Deluxe Carbine, BBBBBBert. One of the, to be Exact 334, Model 64 Deluxe Carbines, Manufactured Before WW-2 (PRE WAR). Which, that Number was the Opinion of the Author of that Book (The Bible), The Hand Book Actually. That’s 334, Deluxe Model 64 Carbines, Manufactured From 1933 – 1942. NOT The Extrapolated (guesstimate) Total Number for the Whole Production Run of the Model 64 Winchester Deluxe Carbine, (from 1933 – 1956) or Whatever Year Your Extrapolated Total (guesstimate) is for a Winchester Model 64 Deluxe Carbine, in Reference, Noted Above of 4,370 (supposedly) Made. In My OPINION, When You Find, (to be More Specific Visually Inspect) the Remaining 245 (334 subtract 89 equals 245) Winchester Model 64 Deluxe Carbines,Manufactured (estimated) PRE WW-2, I Still Have One of 334. Then You can Also Prove The Bible, WRONG. REALLY to Prove Your Extrapolated Total Production of a Winchester Model 64 Deluxe Carbine, You Have to Visually Inspect 4,281 (4,370 – 89 = 4,281), Holly Geeeezus BBBBBBert.
As Stated in another Post of this Thread by hedley lamarr (Brad) Yes I do Believe There are More Deluxe Versions of Any Model Winchester being Surveyed, for My Simple Reasoning That People want those Winchesters in their Collection. Also in Reference to Chris’s statements, on this Thread, there are Old Collections of Winchesters out there, just waiting to be Found.
Also, to wallyb, The Days Gone By, Were the Best Days. The Old Gun Shows (no plastic guns) where you would see Model 1885 Winchesters in a Home Made Wooden Box to Protect their Prized Winchester along with the Medals they Won with it Displayed so Neatly.
Well, I could continue for quite some time, but I have to Return to the Twilight Zone.
It’s now 8:21 am 15 April 2015
Enjoy Your Day from what ever Zone,
hokie
PS: Phil, I will answer your questions when I get home tonight.
"I Would Have Rather Lived Through The Industrial Revaluation"
"Instead of The Space Age"
From
The Twilight Zone
I have not posted for quite awhile, but at this time i just cannot resist…It would seem to me that the members of this forum have proven with this topic just how gracious and NON negative they are.. While Mr. Merz accuses the members of being negative and suggests we all lighten up [good advice] he then goes on to become very negative in one of his posts and after repeatedly telling Bert he doesn’t wish to stir the pot or point any fingers he goes on to do exactly that…. Bert was gracious enough to remain silent as were the other members……A man should be able to take his own advise and I apologize to all, for while I don’t wish to stir the pot I realize that I have….Brian
Glad to hear from you Briango. You should stick around as you have always been a class act in my book. Couldn’t agree more.
BTW, I worked on a stock without your help last year…but it came out OK!
Brad
briango said
I have not posted for quite awhile, but at this time i just cannot resist…It would seem to me that the members of this forum have proven with this topic just how gracious and NON negative they are.. While Mr. Merz accuses the members of being negative and suggests we all lighten up [good advice] he then goes on to become very negative in one of his posts and after repeatedly telling Bert he doesn’t wish to stir the pot or point any fingers he goes on to do exactly that…. Bert was gracious enough to remain silent as were the other members……A man should be able to take his own advise and I apologize to all, for while I don’t wish to stir the pot I realize that I have….Brian
Hey if one Board of Directors member wants to criticize another Board of Directors member, What better place than this forum?
And I ask that question as unbiased as possibly, because I don’t have an opinion towards either side.
Brady
WACA #8783 - Checkout my Reloading Tool Survey!
https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-research-surveys/winchester-reloading-tool-survey/
Brad. Good to hear from you as well. While I have not been posting lately, I certainly check in on you guys from time to time.I have no doubt your stock project came out great….and thanks for your hard work in helping to clear the muddy waters of sights
Brady. This may or may not be the venue for one board member to go after another……but after a mild scolding for negativity,and the advice to lighten up and just have fun it just seemed somewhat disingenuous to do so…….brian
25-20 said
hokie Good idea about the template I just have to ask a couple questions out of curiosity. Did you make the template from a 50’s 94 that you knew for sure was original by the factory? I assume that Winchester would have used identical positioning for any factory tapping thru all manufacture, and what reference points on the template to check hole location relationship to the receiver ?
Phil
EDIT OK looking at a gun , the simplest template could be just a flat piece , referencing from the trigger pivot screw , and the lifter pivot screw. ?
Good evening Phil, From the Twilight Zone, It’s Overcast and Grey, But it Didn’t Rain All Day.
It’s 7:58 pm 14 April 2015, If you didn’t take my advice 24 hrs ago, You still have 4 hrs to get your taxes in the mail.
Just a little about me Phil, I’m an Ordinary Gun Collecting Guy (from the twilight zone), I’m not a rocket scientist, don’t hold any PHD’s, I do have a Associates Degree in, Metals Joining and Technology (all processes of welding) which Included Technical Drawing (drafting) plus a High School Diploma. So I’m Not as Stupid as I Look (but I still have to pop those zits, just in case LeRoy, comes through with that Sweet Secretary), the good thing is that my Dog doesn’t care what I look like, as he greets me at the front door every day I get home from work (8 hrs usually, sometimes 18 hrs), but I guess the two of us were made for each other.
Geeeeezus, enough about me, on with the subject at hand,(the question), you got a good start there Phil but,
It’s, 8:19 pm 14 April 2015, Smoke Break Time, I’ll Be Right Back. 8:33 pm 14 April 2015, I’m Back.
on a Winchester Model 64 Receiver (just an example, as that is the model we are referencing) on the Left Side, there are five (5) Screws that can be utilized, plus the pivot point pin for the locking lug, (finger lever), so a total of 6 stationary points that are a known given, to locate an objective point or points in this case. Yes as I stated in my previous post, you only need two (2) Stationary Points to Triangulate your Objective Point. But as always the More Stationary Points The Better (as in everything else, the more the better), For An Example, lets take the two (2) screws that protrude through the receiver from the inside (cartridge guide screw and the one beneath it) the two (2) smallest Stationary Points on the receiver, you could take your dial calipers, (using the inside diameter measuring side of the calipers) and center it on the cartridge guide screw, measure back to the center of the first hole for a receiver sight (record measurement), then go to the screw beneath that one, center it and measure back to the center of the same hole (the first one measured) record that measurement, Now You have Triangulated That Hole to It’s Location. Then do the same procedure for the second hole for the receiver sight. To me that procedure is Complicated and Unreliable (close but no cigar), you could be off by thousands.
So, remember I was just a Kid, 25 years old at the time (1979 time frame) Back in the Day of Simplicity (not saying i’m simple,but) I thought, I’ll just make a Template out of Brass Shim Stock about .010 (10 thousands) thick. I laid my shim stock on the receiver, traced out the outline of the receiver (top and bottom) and it went from the front bevel to the rear bevel of the receiver. Cut it out so it would lay flat on the receiver. Taped it fast to the receiver, so it wouldn’t move. Took my little Ball-peen Hammer (the rounded end), Tapping slightly at each screw head and the two that protrude from the inside out, plus the pivot pin, and most importantly the receiver sight holes, making an indentation into the Brass Shim stock of each. Then I took my calipers and measured the diameter of each screw, the pivot pin and screw holes for the receiver sight and punched the holes into my Brass shim stock to Produce my Template. Now I have a Template that references six (6) stationary points to locate two (2) objective points (being the holes for the receiver sight) as to if they are located in the same place on another receiver, with the drilled and tapped holes. You can do the same thing Phil, just use tracing paper and a pencil to make your template, and see if it works out, I wouldn’t advise trying to take the tape off the tracing paper, you might end up with a torn template. I made mine out of Brass because I carried it with me.
As for what Model 64 receiver I used to make my template? A Pre War Model 64 Winchester Receiver. Like I stated in whatever post in this Thread, I would be walking through gun shows, seeing Model 94 Carbines that weren’t Drilled and Tapped for a Receiver Sight, BUT the Model 64 Winchesters were Drilled and Tapped for a receiver sight (i said to myself, Joe Gun Smith can’t be drilling all these receivers in the same location) and there was always a few that had the receiver sight on them. Maybe it’s just me, but I was able to tell by Visually Looking at a Model 64 Winchester, weather it had the sight on it or it just had the holes for a receiver sight, they appeared to me to be in the same place on the receiver. Try it sometime Phil, go on Gun Broker, find a Model 64 with a receiver sight on it, then find a Model 94 (that’s not suppose to have a receiver sight on it) of the same era as the Model 64, you should be able to tell Visually, they aren’t located in the same place on the receiver. When you have looked at enough Winchesters that were Drilled and Tapped from the Factory, you can Mentally, Visualize that they are in the Proper Location.
Holy Geeeezus, it’s 11:00 pm, still 14 April 2014. I just came in from from my last smoke break.
So in closing (because it’s way past my bed time) and that little red line is showing up more because i’m tired. My two (2) fingers that I type with are about worn out (i am ambidextrous) one finger for each hand typing. That I have made sense of what I’m trying to Convey as to how I made my Template and answered your Questions. If you have made it to this point of my Post in this Thread, that’s amazing.
I’m heading back into the Twilight Zone (my zone), Catch Ya Later.
hokie, signing off at 11:20 pm 14 April 2014
"I Would Have Rather Lived Through The Industrial Revaluation"
"Instead of The Space Age"
From
The Twilight Zone
Hey Hokie,
Too bad there’s not a “Like” button like Facebook has. I do like your style Pardner!
Rob Kassab
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Rob Kassab said
Hey Hokie,
Too bad there’s not a “Like” button like Facebook has. I do like your style Pardner!
Good Afternoon Rob, From the Twilight Zone, It’s a Bright Sunny Day, Good Weather for Growing Hay.
It’s 4:59 pm , 15 April 2015, If you have been Following My Posts, your Taxes are Done and Filed, a Day in Advance (see, everything posted on the Internet isn’t true), and you could be relaxing for the next seven (7) hours.
Ya, your Suggestion would be a Nice Feature on the WACA Site. Maybe that would lighten up the Mood Somewhat…..
,,,
Thanks For The ( “Like” ) about My Style………
The Twilight Zone is on the Horizon for Me, I’m Heading Home.
hokie,,,,It’s 5:15 pm 15 April 2015
"I Would Have Rather Lived Through The Industrial Revaluation"
"Instead of The Space Age"
From
The Twilight Zone
To all interested parties;
I’ve been collecting firearms since 1959. Then it was fun, and much cheaper to aquire a descent collection for a reasonable outlay of $. Now after almost 60 years, “it ain’t fun no more”!! Once a “Collector” has an agenda like making “Big Bucks”, it’s not about having fun nor enjoying the people that they’ve met, but it’s all about making as much cash as possible. So let’s not confuse “fun” with “business”, they’re NOT the same. When one is in business to make money, let’s call it what it is, and not what it isn’t. I personally retired from my business a year ago after 29 years, now let’s see if it can become fun once more.
Apache
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