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I have a set of the Armory Publications catalogs.  My volume 2 that covers 1882-1885 seems to be missing two pages in the November 1, 1885 catalog.  Pages 39-40 are missing.  It doesn’t appear they were ever in there.

Would someone who has this set kindly check their volume 2 and see if the November 1, 1885 catalog is also missing pages 39-40?  I wonder if it was a publishing error.

I call myself a collector as it sounds better than hoarder

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Mine is missing these pages too.  Call Cornell Pub and see if their repos are the same.

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I’m doubtful Cornell Pub is any different.

I’ve been thinking of writing an article for the Collector updating Ron Stadt’s catalog list, detailing such issues as these.

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Yep.  Mine is missing the same pages 39 and 40.

Don

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I’m doubtful Cornell Pub is any different.

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Maverick

  

Maybe and maybe not.  The one in the 12 volume set we are talking about is a copy of the original catalog.  A lot of the ones you get from Cornell are copies of copies.  I put together a list of who printed the catalogs and in some cases who reprinted the catalogs.  As an example the April 1882 catalog was originally printed by Van Kleeck, Clark & Co. Printers 233 Broadway N.Y.  It was then reprinted by Armory Publications 1991.  Which one did Cornell use?

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Which one did Cornell use?

  

My suspicion is that they used the Armory Publications copy.

You probably are aware of the following, but Cornell or anyone else for that matter can reproduce all the catalogs in the 12 Volume Set. They’re now in the public domain. Back in 1991 they weren’t yet and Armory Publications had to get permission from Winchester / Olin to reproduce them.

If it was printed in 1928 or before (the 95 years after publication), you can reproduce it without copyright infringement.

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Ok, here is another example.  I have 2 December 1896 reproduction catalogs.  One states “Reproduction of the 1896 Winchester catalogue is with the approval of the Olin Mathieson Chemical Corporation.”   On the bottom of the page it also says Published by the I.C. Harper Company.  There is no printer info on page 3.

The other one that is missing pages 1 and 2 states on page 3 it was printed by Springfield Printing and Binding Company.  Which I believe to be the original printer.

The one in the 20 Vol set is like the second one. 

I have a bunch more like these.  We don’t really know who all copied these over the years.  Cornell copied what they could find.  Sometimes an original and other times a copy of a copy.

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Cornell copied what they could find.  Sometimes an original and other times a copy of a copy.

Not disagreeing with you there and only Cornell could speak for what they did. 

As far as Armory Publications goes, they state the following on their website: “The Winchester Repeating Arms Company collected 54 original trade catalogues in 1910 and bound them in 10 leather-bound volumes for the patent library. When the company was sold to United States Repeating Arms Company in 1981, the collection was discovered and acquired by a Winchester enthusiast. The set was reprinted by Armory Publications in 1991-92 and included two additional volumes taking the study up to 1918.” 

Any idea who the Winchester Enthusiast was? 

Do you believe the statement as written?

When whoever made that leather bound set in 1910 at Winchester, they didn’t include the front and back covers of the catalogs. Which is why they’re all handwritten. This a long with said example of pages 39-40 missing from the November 1, 1885 catalog are some of the details I would want to include in an article.

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Maverick said

Chuck said

Cornell copied what they could find.  Sometimes an original and other times a copy of a copy.

Not disagreeing with you there and only Cornell could speak for what they did. 

As far as Armory Publications goes, they state the following on their website: “The Winchester Repeating Arms Company collected 54 original trade catalogues in 1910 and bound them in 10 leather-bound volumes for the patent library. When the company was sold to United States Repeating Arms Company in 1981, the collection was discovered and acquired by a Winchester enthusiast. The set was reprinted by Armory Publications in 1991-92 and included two additional volumes taking the study up to 1918.” 

Any idea who the Winchester Enthusiast was? 

Do you believe the statement as written?

When whoever made that leather bound set in 1910 at Winchester, they didn’t include the front and back covers of the catalogs. Which is why they’re all handwritten. This a long with said example of pages 39-40 missing from the November 1, 1885 catalog are some of the details I would want to include in an article.

Sincerely,

Maverick

  

Maverick,

I believe the Winchester enthusiast was George A. Hoyem, the publisher at Armory Publishing.  He was a prolific author in his own right.  He published several books on small arms and ammunition development.  I corresponded with his daughter Cassandra in June 2019 about purchasing a set of the Winchester catalogs.  At that time, they still had some loose volumes and complete sets which were listed at $1200.  She said her father was 91 then.  

I don’t know where the original catalog bound volumes are now.  

I call myself a collector as it sounds better than hoarder

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Maverick said

Chuck said

Cornell copied what they could find.  Sometimes an original and other times a copy of a copy.

Not disagreeing with you there and only Cornell could speak for what they did. 

As far as Armory Publications goes, they state the following on their website: “The Winchester Repeating Arms Company collected 54 original trade catalogues in 1910 and bound them in 10 leather-bound volumes for the patent library. When the company was sold to United States Repeating Arms Company in 1981, the collection was discovered and acquired by a Winchester enthusiast. The set was reprinted by Armory Publications in 1991-92 and included two additional volumes taking the study up to 1918.” 

Any idea who the Winchester Enthusiast was? 

Do you believe the statement as written?

When whoever made that leather bound set in 1910 at Winchester, they didn’t include the front and back covers of the catalogs. Which is why they’re all handwritten. This a long with said example of pages 39-40 missing from the November 1, 1885 catalog are some of the details I would want to include in an article.

Sincerely,

Maverick

  

I can’t argue with that statement.  I never thought to research Armory Pub.  I just sat down with all the catalogs I have and wrote down all the publishing/printing info that I could find. I have a couple of reprints that aren’t in the 12 Vol Set and at least one that I have 2 different versions. 

In the front of Vol 11 George Hoyem, Publisher, talks about what additional catalogs were added to the 10 volume set.  Also about changes that occurred to the covers and format of the catalogs.  There is also a note *Winchester Shotguns & Shotsells, Appendix A, Ronald W. Stadt, Armory Publications, 1984.

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