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Does anyone know anything about the ’94 ser#397081 on Poulin Auctions site Lot #4083 It’s right up My alley if it’s legit.

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That barrel address is pretty bloody dodgy from a mile away….looks to have been stamped over the original address. Look between the words MANUFACTURED BY. 

I also do not like that stock fit and the description states: ”forearm & pistol grip deluxe style replacement stock of XXX”. Description also states ”blue showing edge wear w/ apparent touch up”. 

Very rare barrel length but with no letter available, and based on what I see I wouldn’t go near it. 

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Here is another way to look at it. The rarest feature is the barrel length. But that one rare feature looks as dodgy as a used car salesman. 

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Aussie Chris said
That barrel address is pretty bloody dodgy from a mile away….looks to have been stamped over the original address. Look between the words MANUFACTURED BY.  

There’s an irregularity in the letters that resembles hand-engraving, but fake without question.

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In addition to the sketchy looking address marking on the barrel, the fact that it does not have a set trigger also make it suspicious.  I recommend using a lot of caution if you decide to bid on it.

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The barrel address definatley looks re done, but it has the error patent date of August 14, 1894.

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I guess that was My initial reaction also, I just wanted to get some verification, I won’tbe bidding on it, shame though. Thanks for the feed back.

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I’d pass

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tionesta1 said
The barrel address definatley looks re done, but it has the error patent date of August 14, 1894.

  

That’s interesting!  I thought the error patent date had only been observed on round barrels u until now.  Perhaps a flub by the faker?

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deerhunter said

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The barrel address definatley looks re done, but it has the error patent date of August 14, 1894.

  

That’s interesting!  I thought the error patent date had only been observed on round barrels u until now.  Perhaps a flub by the faker?

  

You are correct.  The August 14 patent date error has only been present on rounds barrels, specifically the Carbine barrels and the 22-inch Extra Lightweight rifle barrels.  Thus far I have documented (82) Model 1894s with the patent date error.

The rifle in question has a Fake barrel on it.

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I’m assuming some of these auction houses would change nothing if they were notified? I know some would update any factual errors but this looks loosely described enough that nothing would change if you told them that. Buyer beware of course…

Other fun question, if this truly had a barrel of that length, would the forend and barrel bands be situated as such or would it have been designed differently?

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I’m assuming some of these auction houses would change nothing if they were notified? I know some would update any factual errors but this looks loosely described enough that nothing would change if you told them that. Buyer beware of course…

Other fun question, if this truly had a barrel of that length, would the forend and barrel bands be situated as such or would it have been designed differently?

  

The forend stocks were the same length for all barrel lengths in the 24 – 36 inch range.  Winchester used dual magazine hanger rings for barrels longer than 30-inchs.

Most of the auction houses do not change their descriptions unless forced to do so (with irrefutable evidence/facts). Due to the fact that this rifle has been exposed as a Fake, the odds of it selling are decreasing rapidly.  My bet is that it does not sell.

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I concur.  Definitely a put-together fake meant to deceive and intended to enrich the consignor.  The dodgy description is a tip-off that Poulin knows that it is not correct.  Shame on them!  I thought that they were more honorable than this.

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I see My old 28″ case colored gun is for sale again , lot #4081 same sale

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Henry Mero said
I see My old 28″ case colored gun is for sale again , lot #4081 same sale

  

Henry, I saw that one.  Didn’t know it once belonged to you. 

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I concur.  Definitely a put-together fake meant to deceive and intended to enrich the consignor.  The dodgy description is a tip-off that Poulin knows that it is not correct.  Shame on them!  I thought that they were more honorable than this. 

It’s the business of auction houses to sell what’s consigned to them; “honor” isn’t a component of their business model, as Rock Island had demonstrated times too numerous to count.  Probably they all justify themselves with their willingness (usually) to refund the buyer’s money if after getting the item he claims he’s been rooked; and if the “lucky winner” is satisfied with his fake (as many undoubtedly are), who’s to complain?

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Barrel Address looks like an over inflated tire wrapped in bubble wrap and lettered by a 3rd grader that forgot to cross his Ts and dot the Is.

The barrel and magazine have too much of a gap on the muzzle end of the barrel. 

I wonder how the rifle was configured originally.

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Bert H. said

The forend stocks were the same length for all barrel lengths in the 24 – 36 inch range.  Winchester used dual magazine hanger rings for barrels longer than 30-inchs.

Most of the auction houses do not change their descriptions unless forced to do so (with irrefutable evidence/facts). Due to the fact that this rifle has been exposed as a Fake, the odds of it selling are decreasing rapidly.  My bet is that it does not sell.

Bert

  

I thought that was the case with the hangers…34/36″ would be one long ass barrel though wow. I bookmarked it since I’m watching a different rifle and I’ll try to see what happens with it.

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Jeremy P said

Bert H. said

The forend stocks were the same length for all barrel lengths in the 24 – 36 inch range.  Winchester used dual magazine hanger rings for barrels longer than 30-inchs.

Most of the auction houses do not change their descriptions unless forced to do so (with irrefutable evidence/facts). Due to the fact that this rifle has been exposed as a Fake, the odds of it selling are decreasing rapidly.  My bet is that it does not sell.

Bert

  

I thought that was the case with the hangers…34/36″ would be one long ass barrel though wow. I bookmarked it since I’m watching a different rifle and I’ll try to see what happens with it.

  

The extra magazine hangers were used for the 32, 34, and 36 inch barrel lengths.

Like I mentioned, I sincerely doubt that anyone will entertain the $16,250 opening bid.

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