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For all you guys out there researching and that have an affinity for the Models 94 & 97. I came across some neat period photographs while doing research.
Also on a side note, I would imagine these images will squash anyone that is of the believe that the LAPD never owned any Winchesters.
Following photos of four LAPD officers on the side of a hill with what maybe Los Angeles in the background, dated 1922-1932. All four men supposedly also appear in another photo with Los Angeles County Sheriff William I. Traeger, but I can’t tell who is who. There are two 94 SRCs and two model 97 shotguns that appear to possibly be riot guns or cut down. The one officer in the middle standing up, on his 94 SRC appears to be marked on the right side of the buttstock. I can’t make out the exact markings, but looks like the first two letters are “LA”.
https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p15150coll2/id/16882
Following photos of group of men with Sheriff William I Traeager, dates 1922-1932. The Sheriff is 4th from the left. The 1st shotgun I’m sure of along with two Thompsons with drums and one model 97.
https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p15150coll2/id/16860/rec/1
Following photos of three men, one of which is a LAPD detective E. Ray Cato, circa 1925. They are holding a Thompson without clip, a Webley Tear Gas Gun, and a BAR without clip. In the gun cabinet behind them appears to be seven 94 SRCs, another Webley Tear Gas Gun, four model 97s, and two double barreled shotguns.
https://dl.library.ucla.edu/islandora/object/edu.ucla.library.specialCollections.latimes:959
Hope you guys enjoy these photos as much as I have. They remind me of the Untouchables. I’d be nice to know the serial numbers of the guns in the photos.
Sincerely,
Maverick
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I have (3) of the LA PD Model 1894 SRCs, and (2) of LA PD Model 1897 Riot Guns in my research surveys.
Bert
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Very cool pictures Brady. I have been wanting to spend some time at the Huntington library myself. Gun related but not Winchester. In the late 1800’s and early 1900’s the Pasadena and San Marino area had some of the wealthiest people in the United States. A lot of the rich people in San Francisco moved there because of the much better weather.
Bert H. said
I have (3) of the LA PD Model 1894 SRCs, and (2) of LA PD Model 1897 Riot Guns in my research surveys.Bert
Where any of the three 94s marked on the right side of the buttstock?
Sincerely,
Maverick
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Maverick said
Where any of the three 94s marked on the right side of the buttstock?
Sincerely,
Maverick
I did not record where specifically it was marked on the carbines and do not positively remember for sure where they were marked, but I believe it was on the butt stocks.
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I have an “7 L.A.P.D.” stamped model 1897 serial 755002 E I inherited from my grandfather. Is this something anyone here would care me to share more about? I am not a collector but am interested in finding out more. I live in Seattle, WA.
Aaron
Your shotgun was made in 1922. Bert will probably be able to narrow it down.
Aaron J said
I have an “7 L.A.P.D.” stamped model 1897 serial 755002 E I inherited from my grandfather. Is this something anyone here would care me to share more about? I am not a collector but am interested in finding out more. I live in Seattle, WA.Aaron
Hello Aaron,
I would very much appreciate seeing some clear pictures of it. I have serial number 754977 listed in my research survey as being marked “5 L.A.P.D.” Your Model 1897 Riot Gun is now the second one in my survey from that time period.
Bert – [email protected]
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Aaron J said
I have an “7 L.A.P.D.” stamped model 1897 serial 755002 E I inherited from my grandfather. Is this something anyone here would care me to share more about? I am not a collector but am interested in finding out more. I live in Seattle, WA.Aaron
Is the “7 LAPD” markings on the right side of the butt-stock? Or on the stocks at all?
Sincerely,
Maverick
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The LAPD marking is on the right side of the receiver.
Here is a photo showing the LA PD marking on Aaron’s Riot Gun…
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Maverick said
For all you guys out there researching and that have an affinity for the Models 94 & 97. I came across some neat period photographs while doing research.Also on a side note, I would imagine these images will squash anyone that is of the believe that the LAPD never owned any Winchesters.
Following photos of four LAPD officers on the side of a hill with what maybe Los Angeles in the background, dated 1922-1932. All four men supposedly also appear in another photo with Los Angeles County Sheriff William I. Traeger, but I can’t tell who is who. There are two 94 SRCs and two model 97 shotguns that appear to possibly be riot guns or cut down. The one officer in the middle standing up, on his 94 SRC appears to be marked on the right side of the buttstock. I can’t make out the exact markings, but looks like the first two letters are “LA”.
. I own a LAPD 1894, it is marked on the right side of the frame only. Made 1915, like others on the internet sold at auction. They all say 1917 because they are using Madis numbers.
Just to add a little detail to this older discussion which I just found. The number 7 in this instance designates designates issuance to LAPD’s Wilshire Division. The one marked “5”, which I own, shows issuance to Harbor Division. As I recall there were about 20 Model 94 carbines stored in each of the station armories (Kit Rooms) for station defense.
Larry21556 said
Just to add a little detail to this older discussion which I just found. The number 7 in this instance designates designates issuance to LAPD’s Wilshire Division. The one marked “5”, which I own, shows issuance to Harbor Division. As I recall there were about 20 Model 94 carbines stored in each of the station armories (Kit Rooms) for station defense.
Larry,
Could you please provide me with the S/N on your L.A.P.D. Winchester?
Bert – [email protected]
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Hello, first time posting and new to this forum. I recently acquired a Winchester 94 saddle ring carbine 30 WCF cal. It too is marked LAPD with numbers 361 above the LAPD stamping, left side of the wood buttstock on the bottom (opposite side of the rifle from the loading gate). I cannot see any stampings on the metal of the receiver, but there is a fair amount of surface rust on the metal. Serial number is 8121**. I acquired from an elderly gentleman who was moving and downsizing, selling many of his things. He did not tell me anything about the LAPD markings, and said he knew very little of the rifle, and it was given to him from an elderly friend about 10 years prior who was dying of cancer. I initially did not notice the stampings and discover them later when giving the rifle a close one over. The rifle was covered in dust and the seller appeared embarrassed by its condition. I purchased it as a wall hanger for an old west antique memorabilia display I am putting together for my office. I am definitely not interested in selling the rifle (even thought I acquired it for only a few hundred bucks). The stampings on the wood definitely appear to have been on the rifle for 100 years, stamp matches the many scratches through it and the rifle shows its wear. Marking in wood almost blend in with the age of the stock wood. I can’t imagine it would be a fake that would appear this realistic? But again there does not appear to be any markings on the receiver. Thanks for any information, and thank you for letting me join your forum!
-Kyle
I’ll add one more thing about the rifle, I test fired it with my son and it shot great, really beautiful bore. We were able to get about 2 inch groups 50 yards. My 11-year-old son shot a tighter group than me I might add!
K Kroll said
Hello, first time posting and new to this forum. I recently acquired a Winchester 94 saddle ring carbine 30 WCF cal. It too is marked LAPD with numbers 361 above the LAPD stamping, left side of the wood buttstock on the bottom (opposite side of the rifle from the loading gate). I cannot see any stampings on the metal of the receiver, but there is a fair amount of surface rust on the metal. Serial number is 8121**. I acquired from an elderly gentleman who was moving and downsizing, selling many of his things. He did not tell me anything about the LAPD markings, and said he knew very little of the rifle, and it was given to him from an elderly friend about 10 years prior who was dying of cancer. I initially did not notice the stampings and discover them later when giving the rifle a close one over. The rifle was covered in dust and the seller appeared embarrassed by its condition. I purchased it as a wall hanger for an old west antique memorabilia display I am putting together for my office. I am definitely not interested in selling the rifle (even thought I acquired it for only a few hundred bucks). The stampings on the wood definitely appear to have been on the rifle for 100 years, stamp matches the many scratches through it and the rifle shows its wear. Marking in wood almost blend in with the age of the stock wood. I can’t imagine it would be a fake that would appear this realistic? But again there does not appear to be any markings on the receiver. Thanks for any information, and thank you for letting me join your forum!-Kyle
Please provide the complete serial number. Based on the partial serial number you provided, your Model 1894 Carbine was manufactured in the latter part of the year 1915. I have several other LAPD marked Carbines in my research survey in the same serial number range.
Bert
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Thanks Bert!
Does it seem strange that I cannot locate a LAPD marking on the frame? Have you seen any originals that had the marking on the wood butt stock and not the steel receiver? As I said before the marking in the wood appears very vintage. I can’t imagine it could’ve been faked. I’m trying to figure out how to upload photos to the forum. Thanks again!
K Kroll said
Thanks Bert!Does it seem strange that I cannot locate a LAPD marking on the frame? Have you seen any originals that had the marking on the wood butt stock and not the steel receiver? As I said before the marking in the wood appears very vintage. I can’t imagine it could’ve been faked. I’m trying to figure out how to upload photos to the forum. Thanks again!
In answer to your question, No, it is not strange. All five of LAPD marked Model 1894 Carbines in my research survey are marked on the left rear side of the butt stock only.
You can send the pictures to me at – [email protected]
Bert
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