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Help evaluating or appraising pre-64 Model 70 and two Model 54s
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November 30, 2024 - 11:39 pm
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Hi there, I have a few Winchester rifles I’d like to get a little more information about. I’ve gone through and dated them using the s/n references but my knowledge ends there. I’m hoping to find a bit more about the general value of these and ultimately sell them.

The first is a Model 70 in .270 dated 1948 – https://photos.app.goo.gl/NjkbKZ5K5yMy8ZQ38

The second is a Model 54 Sporter in 30-06 dated 1934 – https://photos.app.goo.gl/2Vud1pR4QKhzpHMi9

The third is another Model 54 Carbine(?) in 30-06 dated 1925 (first year of production I believe, 3-digit serial number “732”). – https://photos.app.goo.gl/kYb8rAtKACbfdTmL9

I tried to get some close up pictures, but I’m not sure exactly the best angles and specific parts to focus on so please let me know if additional pictures are needed. 

Thank you for your help!

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Not sure if the Google links broke but I uploaded to imgur as a backup

Model 70 –

Model 70 .270 1948

 

Model 54 Carbine –

Model 54 Carbine 30-06 1925 SN#732

Model 54 Sporter –

Model 54 Sporter 30-06 1934

– not sure why this link isn’t working, the address is: imgur.com/a/bJnB7AD

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Blitz,

– The G prefix s/n indicates your 270 is a post 1963 M70. Hopefully, someone more familiar with those guns will be along to provide you with some info.

– The M54 Carbine is a well used, honest gun. Correct sights, bolt is unaltered and no extra holes. I would have expected an uncheckered carbine stock with the fluted forend on an early carbine, but your gun has a checkered NRA stock (not sure if this stock was available this early). A desirable gun, $1,200 – $1,500.

– The M54 Standard Rifle is also a well used, honest gun. Unaltered bolt and there doesn’t appear to be any extra holes. That particular Lyman receiver sight is not original as the gun was originally equipped with a long slide Lyman 48WJ (someone grafted wood into the original inlet). Missing front sight hood. $800 – $1,000 + or -.

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Hi Blitz-

The first set of images seems to have caused confusion, as the first image (movie) is of S/N G1178979, which is a post-63 push feed Model 70 made in early 1975.  I cannot make out the serial number on the rest of the pictures in the portfolio, but it is a type III-1 G7003C (low comb 270 WCF Standard rifle with standard sights).  All that’s consistent with your 1948 description. For the technologically challenged, i.e. Tedk, it is in good condition with a non-factory recoil pad and dovetail blank replacing the original Win 22G sporting sight.

If you can make it out, would you give the full serial number for inclusion in the M70 survey?  Value (not including scope), is maybe in the $800 to $1000 range.  These are pretty common rifles and the recoil pad hurts collector value.

What is the barrel length on the second rifle, labeled M54 Carbine?  It looks to me like a M54 1st Standard rifle, with 24-inch Nickel Steel barrel, 1st Standard style stock, and serrated metal butt plate (schnabel fore end and sling eyes).  The early (1925) serial number and absence of non-factory modifications, e.g. bolt handle alteration and bridge holes, make it collectable.  It’s also in very nice condition for a M54 this old.  Tedk’s value estimate seems about right to me.

Proving that the “technologically challenged” one is ME, I can’t get the third set of images to open… LaughLaughLaugh

Just my take…

Lou

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Tedk said
Blitz,

– The G prefix s/n indicates your 270 is a post 1963 M70. Hopefully, someone more familiar with those guns will be along to provide you with some info.

– The M54 Carbine is a well used, honest gun. Correct sights, bolt is unaltered and no extra holes. I would have expected an uncheckered carbine stock with the fluted forend on an early carbine, but your gun has a checkered NRA stock (not sure if this stock was available this early). A desirable gun, $1,200 – $1,500.

– The M54 Standard Rifle is also a well used, honest gun. Unaltered bolt and there doesn’t appear to be any extra holes. That particular Lyman receiver sight is not original as the gun was originally equipped with a long slide Lyman 48WJ (someone grafted wood into the original inlet). Missing front sight hood. $800 – $1,000 + or -.

  

Ted, thank you very much for your input. I believe I made a mistake when adding photos and accidentally posted the serial number from my 1974 Model 70 instead of the s/n from the 1948 Model 70 as intended. I’ll add the correct picture below, could you reassess with this information? I also took some more pictures of the scope/mount as requested by another user. 

Model 70 .270 1948 SN# 116420(?)

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Louis Luttrell said
Hi Blitz-

The first set of images seems to have caused confusion, as the first image (movie) is of S/N G1178979, which is a post-63 push feed Model 70 made in early 1975.  I cannot make out the serial number on the rest of the pictures in the portfolio, but it is a type III-1 G7003C (low comb 270 WCF Standard rifle with standard sights).  All that’s consistent with your 1948 description. For the technologically challenged, i.e. Tedk, it is in good condition with a non-factory recoil pad and dovetail blank replacing the original Win 22G sporting sight.

If you can make it out, would you give the full serial number for inclusion in the M70 survey?  Value (not including scope), is maybe in the $800 to $1000 range.  These are pretty common rifles and the recoil pad hurts collector value.

What is the barrel length on the second rifle, labeled M54 Carbine?  It looks to me like a M54 1st Standard rifle, with 24-inch Nickel Steel barrel, 1st Standard style stock, and serrated metal butt plate (schnabel fore end and sling eyes).  The early (1925) serial number and absence of non-factory modifications, e.g. bolt handle alteration and bridge holes, make it collectable.  It’s also in very nice condition for a M54 this old.  Tedk’s value estimate seems about right to me.

Proving that the “technologically challenged” one is ME, I can’t get the third set of images to open… LaughLaughLaugh

Just my take…

Lou

  

Lou, thank you for noticing that! Turns out, I accidentally uploaded the s/n from a later Model 70 I have, despite all the other pictures being of the correct gun. I appreciate you noting the other details on the gun that aren’t specifically original. I fixed that and reposted the album in the above comment with additional pictures of the S/N and the scope/mount. The third album didn’t auto-populate so I’ll try adding it here in this comment. Click Here for pictures

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Hi Blitz-

Thanks!!! Can you tell if the M70 S/N is 113423 or 115425?  Probably not… The bottom half of the “3” and “5” stamps used in 1948 are so much alike that I cannot tell…

Thanks also for the second M54 pics…  This one is what was called the M54 “NRA Standard Rifle”.  The most obvious differences between this and the M54 1st Standard Rifle (that it replaced) are the gas porting system (note the hole below the serial number) and the chrome moly steel barrel with the integral forged front ramp in place of the pinned front sight.  The “NRA style stock” with rounded for end tip, different steel butt plate, and fixed sling swivel bows also replaced the Schnable stock with sling eyes.  This rifle would originally has a Lyman 48W receiver sight, Lyman 12S blank in the rear sight slot, and Lyman 31W gold bead front sight.

The guns plusses are that the bolt is unaltered, the bridge is not drilled, and the stock is not cut down.  The minuses are that it’s got a fair amount of wear, the inletting for the Lyman 48W receiver sight has been (neatly) filled in, and the front sight is missing.  The receiver sight on it now is a Lyman 57WJS.  They came into being in 1950. 

My sense is that this one is worth less than the early M54, but with a good bore it’s still worth maybe $1000-1200 since the sight issues are “fixable” (if anyone were so inclined) and unmolested M54s in any shape are not easy to find.

As always, this is just my opinion…

Lou

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Lou- your information is invaluable and I appreciate you taking the time to respond. I’ll be sure to update you on the exact serial number when I’m able to confirm it. I don’t have the tools or knowledge to dismount the scope confidently, so I’ll have to get back to you.

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