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October 31, 2019 - 3:02 am
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To All,

Was wondering why there isn’t more discussion going-on in the gun world or in the public in general about these asinine ammunition laws in California?

There aught to be more being done, as there are 49 more states for the same kinda crap to happen in. And just ignoring something because its not in your state, doesn’t do any good either.

Just a few thoughts on the matter.

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From watching the news California has started their gun and ammunition eradication program by burning down everyone’s house.

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That was funny Bob!Laugh It is beyond me, and I’m sure others, how the officials,representatives, senators, congress people etc get away with what they do on a daily basis both locally and on the federal level. They cost the residents of Ca, and the rest of the country, millions and millions of dollars yearly for programs that are designed to support their crazy ideas and political beliefs that are BEYOND belief. And I should talk…the West side of Oregon is just as bad. 

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Well, lets see now.  Near as I can figure, California has 58 representatives.  All but 11, are Democrats.    Of those, you have Pelosi, Waters, Schiff, Napolitano and Feinstein, plus almost ALL of the Hollywood elite.  Even those who made their living making movies with firearms, are gun haters.  Boy, am I going to get in trouble for this.

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win4575 said 
Boy, am I going to get in trouble for this.  

For speaking the plain & indisputable truth?  Don’t think so.

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Thanks Clarence.  The truth usually ruffles some feathers.  Look, I  think California is one of the most beautiful places on earth.  The rich history and unbelievable landscapes are undeniable.  But the people that have been elected to represent this state, are flaming idiots.  Unfortunately, it will probably never change.  I think it’s too late.  You’re welcome here in Montana, but be for warned,  you’d better leave the California politics in California.  We like carrying guns in this state and out of state anti gunners are not in favor here.

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Ruffled feathers or not, all it takes is one election at a time and sooner or later what once was the status quo no longer prevails.  We’ve had folks from these progressive states moving to Texas in droves for going on 15 or more years, lots from California.  All looking for a little relief from taxes or whatever burdens they may have had in their home state, but bringing their poor voting habits and ideas with them.  And then there are the out of state political donations have been rolling in with a furry the last couple elections – just look at our dirt eating buddy from El Paso, Mr. Francis O.  Not to mention the folks from across the globe making their way here via our friends to the south.  Not good, and most folks really cant grasp the reality of the situation, or dont care to. 

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Being from Canada I’m well aware of the trials and tribulations of being a gun owner. As governments change and social morals change, some gov’t beaurocrats think they are protecting everyone from those dreaded “guns”. Well We all know that prohibition has never worked on anything ‘ any where at any time unless it’s in a dictatorship ruled country. We don’t have a 2nd amendment in Canada but We still enjoy a lot of freedoms that our fathers and forefathers won with the use of firearms. I wonder sometimes how the “anti gun folks” think they get to enjoy the right to liberty, equality and the pursuit of happiness, and how were those rights acquired, it sure as hell wasn’t by silent protest and saying please. What gets Me is how We let these intrusions on Our civil liberties happen, is it because sometimes We get to comfortable in Our own little situation, or to buck the system might cost Us. I always admired and respected the U.S. and having the  2nd amendment entrenched in It’s constitution, but those enaliable rights seem to be eroding relatively quickly. If one thinks about it, eg; the state of Maine’s motto “live free or die”, well they have some of the toughest gun laws in the country, where’s the freedom in that? What’s happening in California sure as hell don’t promote the idea of any freedoms or rights for the gun owner.    We just acquired a Minority Liberal (anti firearms) gov’t here and who knows what brilliant ideas they will come up with. It just seems to Me that most everyone , especially gov’t has forgotten how to use common sense. I think they need to focus more on apprehending  the crazy’s out there and enforcing the laws they do have and penalizing those people that breach them. This is really a bad topic for My blood pressure, like the rest of us I could go on and on, however it’s snowing here to-day and I guess I’m just being sour. Might move to MontanaWink.

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1873man said
From watching the news California has started their gun and ammunition eradication program by burning down everyone’s house.

Bob  

Bob I see the humor but these fires are not a joking matter.  I live in the suburbs and am only getting the winds and smoke.  Not really close to any of the fires.  Everyone’s insurance will go up. 

As far as California politics I agree with you all.  One big problem is the people that won’t vote. The ammo law is just another money grab.  It doesn’t stop the average guy from buying ammo.  It costs a $1 each purchase.  I have to have out of state ammo purchases shipped to a FFL though.  The FFL’s are making money off these purchases along with the state.   There are still too many advantages for me in this state to leave.  So I vote and try to screw the state in anyway I can.

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I live in Los Angeles and am in the same boat. When I moved here from the midwest 30 years ago I really felt like I had found my place, but these days I don’t even recognize my own neighborhood. I am an engineer working in the entertainment industry (audio/video processing) and being here has afforded me opportunities I would never realize elsewhere, but even woking in this industry has become intolerable and the new laws (especially red flag laws) have really curbed a lot of us in our enthusiasm for shooting and collecting.

A friend of mine has already experienced the “weaponization” of these laws as a result of a nasty-divorce from his lawyer ex-wife. A year later and only $20k in legal, storage and DROS fees he has been completely exonerated and has retrieved his impressive collection of Lee-Enfields (that’s his thing) and WWI and WWII documented firearms. But the punishment in his wallet is real. He is now a Texas resident (and don’t worry, he didn’t bring any “California Values”).

I, myself, am 53 and while not quite there yet, am considering my retirement plans. I’m working closely with my financial advisor to plan my exodus and hopefully purchase some property in Free America, assuming it’s still there when I arrive. I am fortunate that I have parents that instilled me with the value of personal responsibility and self-sufficiency and worked my way into a home that now resides in “Silicon Beach” and will (as long as there remains a market) fund that exodus.

I haven’t decided where yet, but being in a wheelchair, probably won’t be in Montana as much as I love visiting those parts. I can handle the cold (Minnesota born) but the snow really bogs me down.

Regarding ammo, it’s clear it is just another effort to simply make things more difficult a little at a time in an attempt to reduce the number entering the arena. I can’t tell you how many wannabe new gun owners come to me with questions and misinformation about what it is to be a gun owner in Kalifornia. It’s clear that the progressives are chipping away at the Constitution on many fronts. I haven’t had the pleasure of purchasing since the new laws have come into effect, as I stay well stocked and reload, but the stories of random denial, database issues, and general incompetence in the system run far and wide. I have no doubt it’s not accidental.

I wouldn’t be surprised if we start hearing about the “reloading loophole” before too long. We’re all evil, after all, right?

 

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All this raises the question …. have all these laws in California been successful in eliminating “gun violence”? If it has, they should make laws about illegal drugs and solve that problem too.

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All this raises the question …. have all these laws in California been successful in eliminating “gun violence”? If it has, they should make laws about illegal drugs and solve that problem too.  

The short answer is no. 

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California has a odd way of getting rid of crime. They legalize it. 5 years ago they past Proposition 47 which changed the dollar value of felony theft, they raised it to $950 so now you can shoplift up to $949.99 and its considered a misdemeanor which they usually don’t have time to respond to. Now the homeless and druggies can steal better items and they turn around and resell them for pennies on the dollar to support their habit. 

 I have a friend that lived in Madagascar for many years. The guns were registered and they could only own certain guns like shotguns which you used to hunt for food. They didn’t go to a supermarket since they lived too far away from a big city. When the government suspected there was a coup or unrest coming they knew who had a gun and would collect them. Now you only had traps, spears and bow and arrow to get meat unless you raised it. The problem was is the criminals never turned in their guns for some strange reason so the bandits which stayed in the hills most of the time would come down in to the villages and put baskets in the street and demand everyone put their valuables in them. The locals had no choice. Once the government settled down they gave back the guns and now the bandits went back into the hills and had to pick their targets more carefully. Removing the guns from the people had the opposite affect since they don’t go after the criminals, they are protected.

If you get Red Flagged I would be worried that the wrong types find out.

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California has a odd way of getting rid of crime. They legalize it. 5 years ago they past Proposition 47 which changed the dollar value of felony theft, they raised it to $950 so now you can shoplift up to $949.99 and its considered a misdemeanor which they usually don’t have time to respond to. Now the homeless and druggies can steal better items and they turn around and resell them for pennies on the dollar to support their habit. 

 I have a friend that lived in Madagascar for many years. The guns were registered and they could only own certain guns like shotguns which you used to hunt for food. They didn’t go to a supermarket since they lived too far away from a big city. When the government suspected there was a coup or unrest coming they knew who had a gun and would collect them. Now you only had traps, spears and bow and arrow to get meat unless you raised it. The problem was is the criminals never turned in their guns for some strange reason so the bandits which stayed in the hills most of the time would come down in to the villages and put baskets in the street and demand everyone put their valuables in them. The locals had no choice. Once the government settled down they gave back the guns and now the bandits went back into the hills and had to pick their targets more carefully. Removing the guns from the people had the opposite affect since they don’t go after the criminals, they are protected.

If you get Red Flagged I would be worried that the wrong types find out.  

My wife and I on many occasions have been at the checkout in Walmart and watched as the criminals walk right out of the store with goods.  The clerks see this too and tell us they are not allowed to stop the thief.  I’m sure the loss is passed onto the paying customers.  The Walmart closest to our house is infested with druggies and lowlifes so we travel to better location to shop. 

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Chuck said

I’m sure the loss is passed onto the paying customers.

Who else?  Shareholders?  I don’t think so!

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Chuck said
I’m sure the loss is passed onto the paying customers.

Who else?  Shareholders?  I don’t think so!  

Actually, at some point that store will fail to make a profit and will close. The company loses, the customers who live nearby will have to travel further and the lowlifes will have to find another place to steal what they want. Everybody loses because it “costs too much” to prosecute a thief.

 

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It just crossed my mind while reading this topic that the gun owners who were prepared to evacuate most likely would have been inclined to leave guns and ammo behind due to the chance of a problem with any overzealous authorities.  Reference the situation in Louisiana, which is a more gun friendly state, during Katrina (hurricane) and the deplorable and criminal actions of the police and national guard confiscating firearms from people on the highway evacuating and trying the same with people who stayed behind in their own homes.

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It just crossed my mind while reading this topic that the gun owners who were prepared to evacuate most likely would have been inclined to leave guns and ammo behind due to the chance of a problem with any overzealous authorities.  Reference the situation in Louisiana, which is a more gun friendly state, during Katrina (hurricane) and the deplorable and criminal actions of the police and national guard confiscating firearms from people on the highway evacuating and trying the same with people who stayed behind in their own homes.  

Don’t know the reason some homeowners left their ammo but it could be heard going off as their houses burned. Never heard of anyone trying to inspect cars as they were fleeing a disaster out here or houses after they left looking for guns or ever confiscating them.  Maybe Louisiana isn’t perfect either?

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I was watching one of those spinoff programs of PD Live and they had cameras following a fire chief in California while he was going door to door to get people out and he was saying to them get out now and when people were trying to grab their pets he said just leave them which I thought was not very humane. One house they didn’t have good leash on them and they slipped off make shift leash and ran back in the house and they just left them. Don’t know if the house burned or not but I’m 100% sure if someone tried to carry some guns out they would of stopped them.

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Bob you could be right.  If the fire was that close they probably didn’t want them wasting any time.  I still don’t see a gun issue here.

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