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Antique status change ?
January 16, 2020
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Can anyone advise if the antique status dates will ever change, or what it would take to change?
I’ve read some senator or politician back in the day with a collection decided the antique status date. I don’t know how the date was decided but I personally think a gun that is 100yrs old qualifies for antique status. Maybe with the millions of military guns produced during WWI, it would lower the value of antiques. I don’t know, but wondering what others think.

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January 16, 2020
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Probably an Act of Congress, but that would a favorable type of gun legislation. I don't see any favorable gun legislation coming any time soon. From either side of the aisle, seems like during an election year all the GOP folks promise the moon and don't deliver. 

Before they change the Antique status, I personally would love to see a Constitutional Amendment regarding ammunition, a Cartridge Freedom Act would be nice! As the Dems have figured out, If we can't ban the guns, they will all be paper weights if we ban the ammunition. The NRA has been good about sniffing through all the Bills that go to the floor, because they've tried to sneak banning ammunition into other crap that has nothing remotely to do with firearms.

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January 16, 2020
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  Gun collectors have talked about it for as long as I remember and nothing has happen, we are a minority. It's not going to happen.  Hopefully we can hang on what we have, before January 1 1899 is antique under "Federal Law". State laws are another subject. T/R

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AG said
Can anyone advise if the antique status dates will ever change, or what it would take to change?

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Four yrs ago, I would have said, Republican control of the presidency & both houses...  I remember that it was also hoped that silencers would be legalized, & state handgun permits made applicable nationwide, &  US importers authorized to import the huge numbers of M1 rifles & carbines that S. Korea has been wanting to sell for the last 10 yrs. 

January 17, 2020
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I too believe that it is highly unlikely that any "positive" gun legislation is going to be considered by Congress.  That stated, the only way it will happen is if enough of us contact our congressmen (or women), and state a clear logical reason why the current law should be changed.

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January 17, 2020
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Any specifics or advice what can be forwarded to the law makers to address this ?

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January 17, 2020
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Any specifics or advice what can be forwarded to the law makers to address this ?

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My approach would be to use the current law (regulations) governing Curio & Relics, which requires the firearm to reach 50-years of age to qualify, and propose that the "antique" status be reached at 100-years of age.  This would be an easy amendment to write up, and to implement.  I believe that most sensible people (which is not to say that politicians are sensible) would agree that a 100-year firearm is "antique".

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January 17, 2020
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Bert H. said

This would be an easy amendment to write up, and to implement.
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Question is, is the "antique" definition written into law (thus requiring Congressional action to change) or is it merely an ATF designation/interpretation, which a directive from the executive branch could change with one memo.

This is what burns me up about the Obama-imposed ban on importation of the Korean rifles--absolutely NO Congressional action was required to lift this ban, merely an order from the President's office! 

January 17, 2020
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I wouldn’t hold my breath. As soon as one of our beloved overseers realized there are now scary black rifles that qualify as C&R I would put money not more restrictions rather than less. 

Just my 2 cents. 

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Question is, is the "antique" definition written into law (thus requiring Congressional action to change) or is it merely an ATF designation/interpretation, which a directive from the executive branch could change with one memo.

This is what burns me up about the Obama-imposed ban on importation of the Korean rifles--absolutely NO Congressional action was required to lift this ban, merely an order from the President's office!   

It is U.S. Code

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January 17, 2020
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I had asked this very question elsewhere.

Why is antique status pre 1899?  Why not just a more logical cut off, such as 1900 or 1901 (1900 being the last year of the 19th Century)?  Or, why not have antique simply be 100 years previously?  (Have a factory letter proving manufactured 17 January 1920, well, you're good to go! ).  Or, better yet, should antique status be anything over 70 years, as a firearm over 70 years of age was an antique when the Gun Control Act of 1968 was drafted?

Even my feeble mind was smart enough to realize problems that could inherently arise.  Such as in December 2059, when the first AR 15s reach the century mark.  That quaint little antique that collects dust and fires the occasional round isn't just so quaint anymore!

Indeed, although I personally prefer a pre 1899 firearm and have mostly collected pre 1899 firearms, as opposed to later stuff, there is always the remote possibility that could be eliminated, as Congress can act in mysterious ways.  Extremely unlikely, but, if this was to occur, there would no longer be a premium associated with antique firearms.  Indeed, some time ago there was an incident where an elderly man opened fire at the US Capitol using an antique firearm that was in his family probably since new.  Oddly, I could not find a link to this but I distinctly recall that the weapon used was an antique--I believe it was a Winchester Model 1890--because I thought that this might be the end of the pre 1899 distinction.  Fortunately, it was not.

Now, as to why pre 1899, vs any other year.  I was told that those Congress consulted (but not sure who those consulted were) determined that the Gewehr (Mauser) 1898 was decided to be a truly "modern" firearm, and all other firearms, as designed, were "antique".  So" when this was drafted in the Gun Control Act of 1968, a secretarial error led to the cut off being on or before 31 Dec 1898.  We actually gained a year of antique status because of it as it originally was intended to be prior to the Gewehr 1898, or pre 1898.

And, so I was informed by fairly knowledgeable sources on another forum.

January 17, 2020
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Fair enough mrcvs. I can see that as why the date was established. I also get your point about the AR future antique status, but I’m not an AR guy & I don’t mind saying so. I just can’t ever see an AR(semi auto) as antique, no matter what the DOM.
My thoughts on antique status are single shot, bolt, & lever action guns. If the m1907 never qualifies then so be it. AR ‘s & semi’s are scary to the general public. It will only get worse for these owners. Just my opinion.

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January 17, 2020
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I personally don't have any objection to pre 1899 being antique but I think they should re-word that to include any gun "designed " pre 1899 or what ever year  that would make sense.  Case in point a mod. 1894 Winchester 38-55, can anyone tell Me the difference between one built Dec 31 1898 or one built Jan. 1, 1899 or 1927 or1997 or 2017. I think that would get around the problem of the A R's etc. ever becoming "antique"

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Personally I believe there are bigger fish to fry than that of the Antique Status. Look at the crap going on in VA.

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