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I recently  acquired  a 70-150. I was wondering  how to tell  if it is a reproduction or an original.  I cant figure out  how to  upload  pictures.  The headstamp says 70-150 wcf walt’s 

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Beetleguy said
I recently  acquired  a 70-150. I was wondering  how to tell  if it is a reproduction or an original.  I cant figure out  how to  upload  pictures.  The headstamp says 70-150 wcf walt’s   

I don’t believe that I could tell the difference even though I have held both at the same time. I am curious about the “Walt’s”.  My friend Walt used to sell real ones and fake ones. 

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clarence said

WHY this aggravation should be necessary when few, if any, other boards, require it is a question beyond my ken.  

Because it prevents the thousands upon thousands of Chinese, Russian, Korean, and U.S. based scammers & spammers out there from inundating our website with Porn, Pills, and other poison crap!  As this website’s Admin, I already deal with enough hacking efforts, and I most surely do not want to spend all of my spare time deleting the crap & filth that would get posted on this website if it were wide open to the worldwide web (public).  All it takes is signing up as a registered member (and then my verification & approval of said registration) to be able to post pictures and other files… pretty damn simple if you ask me.

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Beetleguy said
I recently  acquired  a 70-150. I was wondering  how to tell  if it is a reproduction or an original.  I cant figure out  how to  upload  pictures.  The headstamp says 70-150 wcf walt’s   

Besides photos, dimensions of said cartridge would be helpful. By chance does it have holes in the side of the casing? As if it were once on a display board?

Do you know what size the primer it has in it?

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Maverick said

Besides photos, dimensions of said cartridge would be helpful. By chance does it have holes in the side of the casing? As if it were once on a display board?

Do you know what size the primer it has in it?

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Maverick  

There are no holes in it. It has powder in it. The primer is about 200 thousand ths

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Folks,

  Following up on Bert’s explanation, let me say that the Chrysler 300 Club, Int’l, Inc has a site and does not allow pictures to be posted even from members.  There is indeed a reason for that.  The unfortunate aspect is that those of us who are honest, law abiding, upstanding citizens then are inconvenienced some.  Part of the real world these days.  Tim

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Folks,

  Following up on Bert’s explanation, let me say that the Chrysler 300 Club, Int’l, Inc has a site and does not allow pictures to be posted even from members.  There is indeed a reason for that. 

What reason?  Every other gun-board I follow allows photo postings–I do it almost every day, mostly images taken from the internet, not those I’ve made myself.  If they are able to do this without problems, why not the 300 Club?  

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There are no holes in it. It has powder in it. The primer is about 200 thousand ths  

Are there any other markings on it?  Is the primer copper, brass or other?

What is with the Walt’s?

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Are there any other markings on it?  Is the primer copper, brass or other?

What is with the Walt’s?  

The primer is silver.  Like  a regular  primer. I can text or email the pics to you if you want to  see them.

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No other markings.  I don’t  know  what the walt’s  is. 

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If the primer is silver that means it is a modern primer.  The repos that are made are 12 gauge shot gun shells reformed. Like I said, Walt Hallstein used to have some he said were real and others he said were newly made.  I’ve seen some of the “real” ones sell for about $800 more than 10 yrs ago.

Read this thread, especially what Injun Ryder says.

https://forums.sassnet.com/index.php?/topic/164504-has-anybody-actually-seen-a-70-150-cal-winchester/

https://www.cartridgecollector.net/70%E2%80%93150-winchester

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Man, this is testing my deep memory banks.  I recall there was someone at Winchester who had some connection to these cartridges.  I recall he had some .70-150 cartridges (from Winchester) that were done up in plain paper five-packs (with string around them).  Separately, I was visiting a dealer nearly 40 years ago and he had an original M1887 in .70-150.  Can’t vouch for it and my memory is pretty well faded as far as crisp details go.

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You fellows need to read Dan Shuey’s article in the Winchester Collector.

Fall 2019

  • Winchester’s Elephant Cartridge by Daniel Shuey

Shuey notes that Paul Foster stated the following:

Made 1888; 70-150-650 [thick rim] shell weighs 541 grs; Thin-rim shell weigh 361grs; Bullet weighs 648grs; Thick-rim shell: dia rim =.870in; dia body=.805in; dia at shoulder (apprx) = .790in; case length=2.175in.

I suppose if your shell doesn’t match these measurements, then it is likely not an original WRACo manufactured shell/cartridge.

The article also shows an original cartridge next to an original cartridge board dummy and the original factory loading room tool gages used for the .70-150. Which very interestingly is marked .70-180.

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Maverick said
You fellows need to read Dan Shuey’s article in the Winchester Collector.

Fall 2019

    • Winchester’s Elephant Cartridge by Daniel Shuey

Shuey notes that Paul Foster stated the following:

Made 1888; 70-150-650 [thick rim] shell weighs 541 grs; Thin-rim shell weigh 361grs; Bullet weighs 648grs; Thick-rim shell: dia rim =.870in; dia body=.805in; dia at shoulder (apprx) = .790in; case length=2.175in.

I suppose if your shell doesn’t match these measurements, then it is likely not an original WRACo manufactured shell/cartridge.

The article also shows an original cartridge next to an original cartridge board dummy and the original factory loading room tool gages used for the .70-150. Which very interestingly is marked .70-180.

Sincerely,

Maverick  

.70-180 !!!

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For some reason, I’m thinking the 7X150 wcf Walt’s, form the OP, is a copy, made by some one named Walt,

as this came up in the past, and I’m trying to remember more and verify it!Smile

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For some reason, I’m thinking the 7X150 wcf Walt’s, form the OP, is a copy, made by some one named Walt,

as this came up in the past, and I’m trying to remember more and verify it!Smile

  

Wish I could remember better too…. Wink

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I will bet you that walt was Walt Hallstein.  He always had some of these for sale.  I spent a lot of time looking at them and could not see a difference between the ones he said were real and the ones he said were re pops.  In my opinion the ones that look like board dummies have a better chance of being real.  I don’t have one of these especially since the price is so much and risks are great.  10 Years ago these went for around $700.

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Got a post over on the International Collectors Forum Site, and one of the more educated members, doesn’t seem to think that

it was a Walt Hallstein project or doing.

Another Gentleman posted a pic of one and asked if that was it, so were waiting for any other additional info.Smile

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