You fellows need to read Dan Shuey’s article in the Winchester Collector.
- Winchester’s Elephant Cartridge by Daniel Shuey
Shuey notes that Paul Foster stated the following:
Made 1888; 70-150-650 [thick rim] shell weighs 541 grs; Thin-rim shell weigh 361grs; Bullet weighs 648grs; Thick-rim shell: dia rim =.870in; dia body=.805in; dia at shoulder (apprx) = .790in; case length=2.175in.
I suppose if your shell doesn’t match these measurements, then it is likely not an original WRACo manufactured shell/cartridge.
The article also shows an original cartridge next to an original cartridge board dummy and the original factory loading room tool gages used for the .70-150. Which very interestingly is marked .70-180.
I took your advice and went back to reread the Dan Shuey article, in the fall 2019 Win. Collector and it is very descriptive in the Facts,
on this Cartridge. Great advice, thanks.
This one was probably a real one (i.e. an original dummy):
I agree with what your saying, that this cartridge that Joe Salter sold, is probably an Original Display Dummy.
So in doing some more research, and trying to determine the origine of “Walt’s”, to no avail.
I did discover some more previous reproduction info, to pass along.
The cartridge on the left is from The Gun Shop, (T.G.S.),or The Gun Store, by F. Mills, Bedford Virginia,(1935-early 1970’s) made from a 12 gauge cartridge shell
The Cartridge in the Middle is made by Murray McNichols, stamped (M M) A legitimate reproduction
The Cartridge on the Right is also made from a 12 gauge shell, but stamped out