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I am new to the forum and checking it out to see if It will work for me and y’all. Recently acquired a 1885 .22 WCF in very good condition w/ a swiss butt plate and a Stevens Aperture model # 625.The value of gun is not as important as the history to me.Were these factory options or addons ? The serial # is 75904 which I believe is 1896.Please feel free to enlighten and or correct my data sincerely Robert

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Hello Robert,

Your Single Shot (low-wall) rifle was received in the warehouse in September, 1896 as a 25-20 S.S. (Single Shot), with a 28-inch half-octagon No. 1 barrel.  It does show an “R&R” (Return & Repair) on June 1st, 1907, work order number 12591.  It is not listed as being assembled with a Swiss butt, but that was a special order option.  The Stevens tang sight is positively aftermarket, and unfortunately, it required an extra hole drilled & tapped in the upper tang to mount in on your low-wall.

My suggestion is to take the forend stock off and inspect the bottom of the barrel for any/all factory stamped markings, and then post a picture (or send it to me) of what you find.

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I must have misnamed the device attached to my 1885.It is in fact a scope like device longer than barrel and receiver.It is made by Stevens Arms &Tool Co No. 626..If I can get a picture out I will sincerely Robert

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I must have misnamed the device attached to my 1885.It is in fact a scope like device longer than barrel and receiver.It is made by Stevens Arms &Tool Co No. 626..If I can get a picture out I will sincerely Robert  

The Stevens Telescope you have was positively installed aftermarket.

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I must have misnamed the device attached to my 1885.It is in fact a scope like device longer than barrel and receiver.It is made by Stevens Arms &Tool Co No. 626..If I can get a picture out I will sincerely Robert  

Is it one of those that attach to the brl using the front & rear sight slots?  If so, are you sure the marking isn’t 625?  That would make it a short-lived “Winchester Single Shot Telescope,” as it was called in the 1903 cat.  That name was merely a sales gimmick, as it was really only a variant of Stevens’ cheapest scope model, the Favorite.  At this time, Stevens gave different model nos to the same scope applied to different rifles, a ridiculous practice abandoned after a few yrs.

Don’t know what you mean by “aperture device.”  Have the lenses been removed?

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It is in fact No.625 my young wife informed me.When I get more skills I will attach photos.I only have a HS Diploma and I’m not mad about it.Thank Y’all for the input sincerely Robert

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It is in fact No.625 my young wife informed me.When I get more skills I will attach photos.I only have a HS Diploma and I’m not mad about it.Thank Y’all for the input sincerely Robert  

Robert, if it’s a 625, there’s no doubt about what it is & photos aren’t essential–which you’ll have trouble posting here without an advanced technical degree.

I’m still curious as to why you called it an “aperture,” & not a scope, unless the lenses were removed.

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As I said was trying to use a word bigger than me (aperture) .It is in fact a No.625 scope made by J.Stevens Arms &Tools Co.Could have been added when it was worked on in in 1907 as noted by Bert H.None the less it is a very interesting relic and have read this cartridge became the .22 Hornet at some point. Whatever you can add will be much appreciated.

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None the less it is a very interesting relic and have read this cartridge became the .22 Hornet at some point. Whatever you can add will be much appreciated.  

Very interesting!  Being the least expensive in Stevens line, this style of scope sold well, though survival rate is quite low, as these long tube scopes were more easily damaged than the shorter & more expensive ones.  But that specific model no. intended for the SS has to be rare; not even Bert has one!

How are the optics?  Would expect lenses to be dirty, but is the cross-wire intact?  I have the same type mounted on a Stevens, & in good light, it’s remarkable clear & sharp.

22 WCF didn’t exactly “become” the Hornet, but it’s fair to say it inspired the Hornet. 

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22 WCF didn’t exactly “become” the Hornet, but it’s fair to say it inspired the Hornet.   

There is so little difference that all you have to do is fire form the Hornet brass and then have fun shooting.  The difference of the OAL of the brass is so insignificant that you really don’t need to trim it. You do have to expand the neck.  I used a tapered punch to get the bullet started. 18 months later my dies arrived.

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The optics are pretty clear and cross-wire is intact.Looking forward to squeezing on it once I get ammo.Which are in fact made using a .22 hornet case so I am told. Think it will be a good shooter though ?

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The optics are pretty clear and cross-wire is intact.Looking forward to squeezing on it once I get ammo.Which are in fact made using a .22 hornet case so I am told. Think it will be a good shooter though ?  

How well it shoots will depend on several factors;

1. Bore & muzzle condition

2. Specific bullet diameter you choose to load it with

3. The loose screw (you) behind the trigger (this is typically what causes inaccuracy in my Single Shot rifles)Frown

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The optics are pretty clear and cross-wire is intact.Looking forward to squeezing on it once I get ammo.Which are in fact made using a .22 hornet case so I am told. Think it will be a good shooter though ?  

The bullets, not the case, are the major problem–the bore dia. is .228, for which factory bullets aren’t available, I don’t think.    

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The bullets, not the case, are the major problem–the bore dia. is .228, for which factory bullets aren’t available, I don’t think.      

I did not know that.  I’ve been following .227/.228 bullets for many decades.  I am a .22HP Savage owner.  My uncle was too.  I recall he had a large batch of .228 jacketed bullets made up.  At the time, Hornady was still making a .227 bullet but my uncle wanted .228.  I recall over the years, various smaller bullet companies made .228 bullets.  I don’t know if any are still around.  Also, there is the option of casting your own.  I suspect some of the smaller lead bullet makers offer .228 as well.  By the way, it’s not uncommon to find boxes of Hornady .227 bullets at gunshows.

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I buy my cast bullets from the Bull Shop in Dell, Montana.  You can get a 100 bullets for less than $25 if I remember right.  I did get the 22 HP decapping rod and expander to use on the Hornet brass.  Never looked for HP factory bullets.  What weight are these?

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Got a line on some 60gr. jacketed .228 dia @ Buffalo Arms 100 For 30.09 # BAC22860.Not a reloader yet.The price of Ammo and parts is crazy so for now Just gonna put anti itch on my trigger finger. 

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I buy my cast bullets from the Bull Shop in Dell, Montana.  You can get a 100 bullets for less than $25 if I remember right.  I did get the 22 HP decapping rod and expander to use on the Hornet brass.  Never looked for HP factory bullets.  What weight are these?  

The Hornady ones were 70 grains.

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Here’s My claim to 1885 fame20210501_190736.jpgImage Enlarger20210501_190745.jpgImage Enlarger

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Here’s My claim to 1885 fame20210501_190736.jpgImage Enlarger20210501_190745.jpgImage Enlarger  

Henry –  that is amazing.  I can recall seeing one of these in .44WCF… and I think one in .32-20.  But .22 WCF – that’s darn special.  So, your card indicates five were made with a 15 inch barrel in .22 WCF.  Thanks for sharing!

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