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…your sight looks like a 44A ladder-type carbine sight. It is slightly nicer than the gun, probably not original to the gun. No barrel shadow shows or hammer marks are present so leave it alone.
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My previous post was based on Arthur Pirkle's book. If you use George Madis"s "The Sight Book" it lists the 44A carbine sight but excepts the sight in 50 express caliber. The wording is confusing. I think leave it on.T/R
…The 1886 carbine standard sight was a short carbine type ladder. On the larger caliber carbines sometimes a longer rifle ladder was used. Range gradations markings differed as did the year of introduction stamp on top. Any other sight would
…Always" is a word that doesn't go well with Winchester rifles. The sporting leaf sight was common on the large frame rifles. There was a carbine sight used on 1876 rifles that I think would have also been used on the 1886 carbines. See below. It is also of sporting leaf style. The leaf…
…is shorter than the sights intended for rifles.
The Express sights (front and rear) are seen on some 1876 and 1886 Express rifles. As is common with Winchester extras, any sight would be installed at buyer request. Many sights were also added after the rifle…
…or carbine left the factory.
Some photos of your carbine would help us to determine what you have.
…be surprised if this was the case. Ladder sights are common on carbines and perhaps what yours has?
…have a 1886 carbine from 1901 that haven’t.
…Bert, you mention that they are not as uncommon as some believe. How many have you surveyed and what would that percentage look like compared to all carbines in this era.
this rifle was found on the north west Pa/ north east OH line and the variation seems to be more common in this part of the…
…the back issues of the Winchester Collectors Magazine alone are worth the price of membership.
Thus far I have documented a total of (5,571) Carbines of all types in the 354000 - 10799689 serial number range. Of that number, (740) of them are Eastern Carbines, and of that number, (159) are…
…Eastern Carbines with a ⅔ magazine.
Bert
…Bert, you mention that they are not as uncommon as some believe. How many have you surveyed and what would that percentage look like compared to all carbines in this era.
this rifle was found on the north west Pa/ north east OH line and the variation seems to be more common in this part of the
…looking carbine!
… other than the sights, it does appear to be in its as manufactured state. Eastern Carbines are not nearly as uncommon as some might believe. They were more common in the 32 WS caliber, and the 2/3 magazine is also common.
Bert
…all. I am a new WACA member with a couple of questions about an 1894 carbine I picked up recently. It is serial number 829940 and is the “eastern” variety without saddle ring. The rifle came with marbles sights front and…
… does this rifle look to be in as shipped configuration? As in not messed with?
also, was it common in this serial range for an eastern carbine to be shipped in this configuration. From the few I have seen on online auctions most seem to have the 2/3 (5round) magazine and shotgun buttstock
…Looking at the Winchester Catalogue starting with 1897 they list the "The Extra Light Weight model 1886" as having a "round 22 inch nickle steel barrel". This barrel was standard for that model, or am I missing something. The price was $25. Anytime…
…I lettered a ELW 1886 Cody listed nickle steel barrel as if it was special. Maybe it's not special for this model. T/R
…as a standard practice sometime in the late 1905 or early 1906 time frame (at the same time when the "W.H.V." loads were offered. If a Model 1886 in 45-70 (or 45-90 WCF) has a Nickel Steel barrel, it was specifically made for high velocity smokeless powder and jacketed bullets.
Bert
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So I have to ask. Are you saying that nickel steel was not offered for 1886's prior to 1905? I ask this as I currently have an 86 in 45-90 that was made 1899 with a nickel steel half round barrel that letters.
No, that…
…is positively not what I stated. Please read the text in Red above. After August 1895 and prior to 1906, a Nickel Steel barrel in any Model 1886 caliber (except 33 WCF) was a special order item, and it was specifically noted in the warehouse ledger records (just like your rifle).
…as a standard practice sometime in the late 1905 or early 1906 time frame (at the same time when the "W.H.V." loads were offered. If a Model 1886 in 45-70 (or 45-90 WCF) has a Nickel Steel barrel, it was specifically made for high velocity smokeless powder and jacketed bullets.
Bert
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So I have to ask. Are you saying that nickel steel was not offered for 1886's prior to 1905? I ask this as I currently have an 86 in 45-90 that was made 1899 with a nickel steel half round barrel that letters.
No, that…
…is positively not what I stated. Please read the text in Red above. After August 1895 and prior to 1906, a Nickel Steel barrel in any Model 1886 caliber (except 33 WCF) was a special order item, and it was specifically noted in the warehouse ledger records (just like your rifle).
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The first listing is in the 1894 catalogue Winchester calling it a "EXTRA-LIGHT MODEL 1886 RIFLES" 24" barrel. The first listing of a "Extra Light Weight Model 1886" with a 22" barrel is in the 1897 Winchester Catalogue.
My only
…as a standard practice sometime in the late 1905 or early 1906 time frame (at the same time when the "W.H.V." loads were offered. If a Model 1886 in 45-70 (or 45-90 WCF) has a Nickel Steel barrel, it was specifically made for high velocity smokeless powder and jacketed bullets.
Bert
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So I have to ask. Are you saying that nickel steel was not offered for 1886's prior to 1905? I ask this as I currently have an 86 in 45-90 that was made 1899 with a nickel steel half round barrel that letters.
No, that…
…is positively not what I stated. Please read the text in Red above. After August 1895 and prior to 1906, a Nickel Steel barrel in any Model 1886 caliber (except 33 WCF) was a special order item, and it was specifically noted in the warehouse ledger records (just like your rifle).
… The first listing is in the 1894 catalogue Winchester calling it a "EXTRA-LIGHT MODEL 1886 RIFLES" 24" barrel. The first listing of a "Extra Light Weight Model 1886" with a 22" barrel is in the 1897 Winchester Catalogue.
My only
…as a standard practice sometime in the late 1905 or early 1906 time frame (at the same time when the "W.H.V." loads were offered. If a Model 1886 in 45-70 (or 45-90 WCF) has a Nickel Steel barrel, it was specifically made for high velocity smokeless powder and jacketed bullets.
Bert
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So I have to ask. Are you saying that nickel steel was not offered for 1886's prior to 1905? I ask this as I currently have an 86 in 45-90 that was made 1899 with a nickel steel half round barrel that letters.
No, that…
…is positively not what I stated. Please read the text in Red above. After August 1895 and prior to 1906, a Nickel Steel barrel in any Model 1886 caliber (except 33 WCF) was a special order item, and it was specifically noted in the warehouse ledger records (just like your rifle).
…as a standard practice sometime in the late 1905 or early 1906 time frame (at the same time when the "W.H.V." loads were offered. If a Model 1886 in 45-70 (or 45-90 WCF) has a Nickel Steel barrel, it was specifically made for high velocity smokeless powder and jacketed bullets.
Bert
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So I have to ask. Are you saying that nickel steel was not offered for 1886's prior to 1905? I ask this as I currently have an 86 in 45-90 that was made 1899 with a nickel steel half round barrel that letters.
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My name is Chris WIldhunter
I have been a winchester enthusiast for many years, especially from 1873 and 1886.
I have a problem with a rifle octagonal barrel cal 44wcf
Checkered stock pistol grip shotgun butt
The rifle has been buried for a very long
…ve got a very corroded "1892 Winchester" saddle-ring carbine stamped "MADE IN BRAZIL" on the right of the barrel between the rear sight and barrel band. Also on that side but closer to the receiver is marked
…as a standard practice sometime in the late 1905 or early 1906 time frame (at the same time when the "W.H.V." loads were offered. If a Model 1886 in 45-70 (or 45-90 WCF) has a Nickel Steel barrel, it was specifically made for high velocity smokeless powder and jacketed bullets.
Bert
…modern 45-70 300 grain bullet loads are usually high velocity (@2,000 fps), and that is what you should not shoot in an older (pre-1906) Model 1886.
What is significant about the year 1906, as pre 1906 means 1905 and before? What happened in 1905 relative to metallurgy?
I ask this
…modern 45-70 300 grain bullet loads are usually high velocity (@2,000 fps), and that is what you should not shoot in an older (pre-1906) Model 1886.
…Hilton said
30-30 serial number is 563xx
45-70 model 1886 serial number is 335xx
thanks Ed
The Model 1894 was designed specifically for jacketed bullet smokeless powder cartridges. The 30-30 ammo
…1889 for the 1886
…-30 serial number is 563xx
45-70 model 1886 serial number is 335xx
thanks Ed
…Ed,
Please provide the serial numbers for both of the Winchesters in question.
The Model 1886 could not have been manufactured in the year 1884. Winchester introduced and manufactured the first Model 1886 rifles in late May, 1886.
The…
…Model 1886 has a very robust action, and it is fully capable of shooting 45-70 ammo with moderate smokeless powder loads. What should be avoided is shooting
…at a 1886 in my uncles estate,
serial number puts it at 1884, 45-70. Is this able to shoot modern ammo or only black powder, or light loads of smokeless?
…early high block low wall had the stamp and I regret selling it. A friend owns it now so I can try to get a look at it again. The other one was an 1886 33 WCF that was a grey gun. I actually found the stamp after I purchased it. Like many of them, it was stamped so light that it was hard to see.
…William,
Your Winchester Model 1894 is a Take Down Sporting rifle versus a Saddle Ring Carbine. The serial number tells us that it was manufactured in February 1904 (so Yes, it is nearly 120-years old).
The (2) extra holes in the left
