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January 14, 2024 - 1:43 am
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Just appraised at 95%-97% mint condition at the local shop, that means yes, iron sights, leather and brass strap etc. Serial #1271XX

I just moved and uncovered something that had been passed down to me and packed away in the attic a few decades ago in the process… It is really a waste of this beautiful piece to move from one attic to another (but then again it has done right by this old piece of American history just fine) and think it is time to pass it along in a private sale to somebody who will appreciate it..

I know what it’s worth, PM me with your offer, and if you are serious, I will supply pics, answer questions and maybe even make myself some coffee…. 

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I know what it’s worth, PM me with your offer, and if you are serious, I will supply pics, answer questions and maybe even make myself some coffee….  

If YOU are serious, name your price. 

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  Question, how do we know this person has the gun he is talking about? The only thing we know is his user name, two first names or that of a dead outlaw. Google that.              T/R

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  Question, how do we know this person has the gun he is talking about? The only thing we know is his user name, two first names or that of a dead outlaw. Google that.              T/R

  

It’s like sure, I’ll send you a couple thousand for it – can I wire you the money?

Caveat Emptor is my guidepost.  

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  Question, how do we know this person has the gun he is talking about? The only thing we know is his user name, two first names or that of a dead outlaw. Google that.              T/R

  

Gee, I don’t know, maybe pm him like it said to do… If you’re actually interested in buying it, I’d be happy to provide pics with today’s current newspaper headlines….

…and I’m sorry you don’t like my name, feel free to take that up with my father, I’m sure your opinion is real important to him… 

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Jesse James said

Gee, I don’t know, maybe pm him like it said to do… If you’re actually interested in buying it, I’d be happy to provide pics with today’s current newspaper headlines….

I don’t doubt you’ve got the rifle, but since you said yourself you “know what it’s worth,” what the big problem with providing a price?  As opposed to conducting a private auction.

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  Question, how do we know this person has the gun he is talking about? The only thing we know is his user name, two first names or that of a dead outlaw. Google that.              T/R

  

It’s like sure, I’ll send you a couple thousand for it – can I wire you the money?

Of course you can wire me the money jackass, or you could private message me and pick it up in person if you’re local…

I know sometimes thinking is real hard to do on your own, but don’t worry, when the grown ups are done talking we will be sure to call you back in before the street lights come on…

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Jesse James said

Gee, I don’t know, maybe pm him like it said to do… If you’re actually interested in buying it, I’d be happy to provide pics with today’s current newspaper headlines….

I don’t doubt you’ve got the rifle, but since you said yourself you “know what it’s worth,” what the big problem with providing a price?  As opposed to conducting a private auction.

  

Thank you Mr. Clarence, forgive my ignorance, as you can tell I am new to the forum…

This seemed like the appropriate place to try and find a proper new home for this piece. I would be happy to remove the post and set it up for private auction if that is a thing.

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Jesse James said

This seemed like the appropriate place to try and find a proper new home for this piece. I would be happy to remove the post and set it up for private auction if that is a thing. 

By “private auction” I didn’t mean one that could be conducted on this site, but was referring to your idea of soliciting bids.  In fact, I thought it was a rule that items offered for sale here HAD to be priced, but may be mistaken about that.  But I’ll give you a tip:  I’ve often seen fairly priced items go begging on this site, such as something I had listed, received not a single inquiry, & later sold on ebay for TWICE the price I’d listed here.  Frankly, you’d have far better luck listing it on Gunbroker, where you can post all the photos you like.

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clarence said

Jesse James said

This seemed like the appropriate place to try and find a proper new home for this piece. I would be happy to remove the post and set it up for private auction if that is a thing. 

By “private auction” I didn’t mean one that could be conducted on this site, but was referring to your idea of soliciting bids.  In fact, I thought it was a rule that items offered for sale here HAD to be priced, but may be mistaken about that.  But I’ll give you a tip:  I’ve often seen fairly priced items go begging on this site, such as something I had listed, received not a single inquiry, & later sold on ebay for TWICE the price I’d listed here.  Frankly, you’d have far better luck listing it on Gunbroker, where you can post all the photos you like.

  

Clarence, you are both a gentleman and a scholar… Thank you.

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Hello Mr. James-

I know you have already obtained one or more estimates of value.  IMHO a completely original unaltered high condition M70 30-06 Super Grade from 1949 can easily be a $4000+ rifle.  The issue is that anything that diverges from the above can have a MAJOR impact on collector value.  Recoil pads, wrong floor plate, missing sights, added holes, e.g. for a side mount, etc., etc. can quickly reduce value by >50%…

That’s the reason that you aren’t likely to generate much interest in your rifle here.  Not skepticism over whether you are a scammer or named after a famous bank robber. Wink If you aren’t intimately familiar with these rifles, including all the period-specific nuances that distinguish factory from non-factory work, the best thing is to post a series of clear photos.  You can even include the date/time stamp in the images if you want. Laugh It seems many GB and GI sellers do just that to allay “scammer” concerns. 

As you probably know, only paid WACA Members (not “Forum Members”) can post photos directly on this site.  You’d need to post the pictures on a third-party site and then copy the link here.  That’s the best way to see whether your rifle will generate interest/offers.  There’s no point in posting an asking price when the item itself is an unknown.  There are plenty of people here who know the market and are able to come up with their own estimate of value once they know what they’re looking at.

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Hello Mr. James-

I know you have already obtained one or more estimates of value.  IMHO a completely original unaltered high condition M70 30-06 Super Grade from 1949 can easily be a $4000+ rifle.  The issue is that anything that diverges from the above can have a MAJOR impact on collector value.  Recoil pads, wrong floor plate, missing sights, added holes, e.g. for a side mount, etc., etc. can quickly reduce value by >50%…

That’s the reason that you aren’t likely to generate much interest in your rifle here.  Not skepticism over whether you are a scammer or named after a famous bank robber. Wink If you aren’t intimately familiar with these rifles, including all the period-specific nuances that distinguish factory from non-factory work, the best thing is to post a series of clear photos.  You can even include the date/time stamp in the images if you want. Laugh It seems many GB and GI sellers do just that to allay “scammer” concerns. 

As you probably know, only paid WACA Members (not “Forum Members”) can post photos directly on this site.  You’d need to post the pictures on a third-party site and then copy the link here.  That’s the best way to see whether your rifle will generate interest/offers.  There’s no point in posting an asking price when the item itself is an unknown.  There are plenty of people here who know the market and are able to come up with their own estimate of value once they know what they’re looking at.

Good Luck!

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Thank you for the excellent advise, I will definitely take some photos and post links to the images.

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That would be great… 

Whether you takes pics to link here or for GB/GI (or ultimately both), there are a few “detail” photos people will want to see on a Super Grade M70.  Including them up front will save you time/energy/frustration dealing with what might seem to be “picky” people or “tire kickers”…  The ones who ask for a lot of extra information/photos and then walk away… 

Besides the usual sort of views you’ll see in GB ads, the M70 Super Grade-specific detail photos are : 1) Close-up of the “< SUPER GRADE >” stamp on the bottom of the floor plate; and, 2) Front sight with the hood removed.  It’s also good to include a clear photo of the left side barrel roll marks, and if convenient (which it often isn’t), a photo of whatever is stamped under the chamber area of the barrel. 

The reason for the detail pics is that prior to 1955, the only differences between a Super Grade and a Standard Grade Model 70 were the stock, the floor plate, and the front sight.  No differences in metal finishes, no engine turning, no special stamps, etc.  The appearance of the < SUPER GRADE > stamp on floor plates changed over time (they can be approximately dated from their appearance) and the front sight was a Redfield full gold bead (254 or 255 depending on the date of manufacture).  Whether they’re viewing your rifle on GB, GI or here, the knowledgeable collectors (the ones most likely to give you the best price) are going to want to see these things.

Good Luck!!!

Lou

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  Jesse James,

  Some of the members have been taken lately by people that use last names that are also first names. This makes it impossible to check on the seller. That coupled with no information on your profile doing a purchase for several thousand seems high risk. Most posters use a name other than their real name and have a profile that gives some information as to who is selling. Sorry T/R 

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  Jesse James,

  Some of the members have been taken lately by people that use last names that are also first names. This makes it impossible to check on the seller. That coupled with no information on your profile doing a purchase for several thousand seems high risk. Most posters use a name other than their real name and have a profile that gives some information as to who is selling. Sorry T/R 

  

No problem, I totally understand. I am in SoCal and would ideally prefer an in person because a hands on inspection can’t be beat.

I work on the fringe of the entertainment industry, my name is handy in a rehire or referral based gig environment… But yeah, I am used to people not believing it at first.

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Mr. James-

That would be great… 

Whether you takes pics to link here or for GB/GI (or ultimately both), there are a few “detail” photos people will want to see on a Super Grade M70.  Including them up front will save you time/energy/frustration dealing with what might seem to be “picky” people or “tire kickers”…  The ones who ask for a lot of extra information/photos and then walk away… 

Besides the usual sort of views you’ll see in GB ads, the M70 Super Grade-specific detail photos are : 1) Close-up of the “< SUPER GRADE >” stamp on the bottom of the floor plate; and, 2) Front sight with the hood removed.  It’s also good to include a clear photo of the left side barrel roll marks, and if convenient (which it often isn’t), a photo of whatever is stamped under the chamber area of the barrel. 

The reason for the detail pics is that prior to 1955, the only differences between a Super Grade and a Standard Grade Model 70 were the stock, the floor plate, and the front sight.  No differences in metal finishes, no engine turning, no special stamps, etc.  The appearance of the < SUPER GRADE > stamp on floor plates changed over time (they can be approximately dated from their appearance) and the front sight was a Redfield full gold bead (254 or 255 depending on the date of manufacture).  Whether they’re viewing your rifle on GB, GI or here, the knowledgeable collectors (the ones most likely to give you the best price) are going to want to see these things.

Good Luck!!!

Lou

P.S.  I apologize if you already know the stuff I wrote above.  I’m not trying to be condescending.  It’s just that people who come here vary widely in their knowledge base and unless you hang out and post a lot we really don’t know where you are on the scale from “newbie” to “expert”… Wink

  

No apologies necessary, I was completely unaware of the hoodless front sight pic preference, I will go back and be sure to pop the hood off and snap a pic of that before I upload these others. 

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Anxiously awaiting pics

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I apologize for the delay boys, but I had some unexpected guests swing by for a delightful week of visiting and enjoying all the local offerings of the types of things you do with out of town guests, being doubly pleasant as this is a new area for us as well…

Using pics I already had on my phone, I still have to take a couple more detail shots like popping the hood off the front sight etc…

https://photos.app.goo.gl/HA9uVqY4zKnx6Ezr6

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Jesse James said I apologize for the delay boys, but I had some unexpected guests swing by for a delightful week of visiting and enjoying all the local offerings of the types of things you do with out of town guests, being doubly pleasant as this is a new area for us as well…

Using pics I already had on my phone, I still have to take a couple more detail shots like popping the hood off the front sight etc…

https://photos.app.goo.gl/HA9uVqY4zKnx6Ezr6rn

Oof, I can see fingerprints all over the magazine cover, that’s not marred blueing, I will have to wipe it down better for a new round of photos. 

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Hi Mr. James-

Thank you for posting the photos.  Your rifle (S/N 127182) does indeed apepar to be a very nice example of G7054C, i.e. Model 70 Super Grade rifle in 270 WCF with Winchester 22G rear sight.  Laugh

I thought I’d offer a couple of observations from the M70 survey that might interest you or other readers.  One is that 1949 seems to have been a good year for M70 Super Grades, as there are quite a few recorded with serial numbers close to yours.  While your S/N is “new” to the survey, the closest numbers to it that I have recorded (including all styles) are S/Ns 127166 and 127187.  Both Super Grade rifles in 30 GOV’T’06.  The closest 270 WCF Super Grades recorded to date are S/Ns 127088 and 127237. 

Another point of interest regards the floor plate marking.  You’ll notice that on your rifle the “carrots” at the beginning and end point inwards, i.e. >SUPER GRADE<, as opposed to outwards like the vast majority of SG floor plates, i.e. <SUPER GRADE>.  This is a recognized floor plate variant, and it’s notable that several other SGs in the survey from around this time are similarly marked.  I do not know what the floor pate looked like on every SG I have recorded (photos are not always available), but around yours, S/Ns 127088, 127839, 128034, 129610, 130120 and 130732 are marked >SUPER GRADE<.

A couple of the 270 WCF SGs in my personal collection are S/Ns 127935 and 135189.  127935 was engraved by John Kusmit (lead factory engraver at the time) so the floor plate isn’t informative, but 135189 also has the same >SUPER GRADE< floor plate was yours. Laugh

If you get the chance I’d like to see (for the survey) pics of the barrel roll marking and the front sight.  I believe the front sight “should” be a Redfield 254 full gold bead (0.310″ tall from bottom of dovetail to top of sight), but the purpose of doing a survey is to figure out if that’s true.  Whatever anyone might tell you, there’s no reason to look underneath the barrel of your rifle for a “SUPER” stamp, as the M70 SG barrels were not routinely stamped “SUPER” until the factory went back to rust bluing SG barrels in 1955.

Thanks,

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