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August 27, 2014
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DB,
Any Provenance?
Have you had it appraised?
“If you can’t convince them, confuse them”
President Harry S. Truman
September 22, 2011
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Tedk said
DB,
Have you had it appraised?
I’ll save him the trouble.
$25, it’s something you hang in your basement above your bar.
July 3, 2020
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Genuine made Tiffany products exude quality, artistic flow with intent…and above all “classic appeal”. The subject “mirror” seriously is lacking in all areas… interesting side note…. several years ago, a “run down” bar was sold to some investors that wanted to start a “micro brewery”… the old bar was called the Olympic Club, in Centrailia, Wa. It had a pretty notorious history… to walk into the place at the time of it’s sale, it was pretty dreary… dark… little light from the front windows… it also had a drop ceiling… the price & sale were negotiated… subsequent “renovation” revealed that behind the drop ceiling were several Tiffany ceiling lamps w/ drop chandeliers…w/ glass windows above to allow natural light in during the day. The new owners were obviously ecstatic and the former owners obviously broken hearted… the Tiffany lamps were valued at more than what was paid for the entire building. Rumors swirled that the lamps were to go to auction and be replaced with reproductions… I never heard the final outcome of that part of the story… but those lamps are absolutely stunning… (shown in the bottom pic). Hey, Doug Hart… can you go visit and take some pics for me? I’ll buy your first round for you & the mrs. 🙂 Cheers…
June 1, 2023
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I have seen enough genuine work by Tiffany to know that the mirror in question is not a creation of the Tiffany Studio. But the O.P. need not take my word for it; he can contact ANY acknowledged Tiffany expert or recognized appraiser and then he will be told the truth he does not wish to hear.
There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.
BRP
February 8, 2023
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Tedk said
DB,
Any Provenance?
Have you had it appraised?
I purchased it from a man who bought it at an armory auction in london in 1970. He was one of the owners of Lucid lines in Culver City CA. Lucid lines copied the mirrors design and mass produced it using an acid etched process.
February 8, 2023
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mrcvs said
DB said
Antique Winchester reverse painted, inlaid with abalone, advertising mirror made for the 1893 Columbian Worlds expo by Lewis Comfort Tiffany. 99.9 percent of Winchester collectors are unaware that this mirror exists. There were only two Winchester rifles embellished and displayed by Tiffany for the 1893 expo. Tiffany did not offer Winchester rifles in there sales catalogs. This mirror was the advertising to help publicize the relationship between the two companies.
What makes you think it’s worth $3,000,999? Three million can still get you A LOT!
To be honest with you, your mirror was manufactured about 40 or 50 years ago, something you see at a flea market for $75, you negotiate to $50 and still question if you didn’t get burned on the deal.
There’s an almost identical one to yours on eBay now for $345 which hasn’t sold because it’s priced at 5 to 10 times what it is worth.
The original mirror from 1893 is inlaid with abalone, is reverse painted, and has gold leaf lettering. You are correct that there are copies of the original design that regularly sell on eBay. They were made in the 1970s by lucid lines.
March 14, 2022
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Tedk said
DB,
Any Provenance?
Have you had it appraised?
Exactly!!
I’m not sure what’s more insane, me taking the time to reply about a $3,000,000 item with no provenance or bona fide appraisal, or the seller supporting his claims without it.
Rick C
September 22, 2011
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DB said
mrcvs said
DB said
Antique Winchester reverse painted, inlaid with abalone, advertising mirror made for the 1893 Columbian Worlds expo by Lewis Comfort Tiffany. 99.9 percent of Winchester collectors are unaware that this mirror exists. There were only two Winchester rifles embellished and displayed by Tiffany for the 1893 expo. Tiffany did not offer Winchester rifles in there sales catalogs. This mirror was the advertising to help publicize the relationship between the two companies.
What makes you think it’s worth $3,000,999? Three million can still get you A LOT!
To be honest with you, your mirror was manufactured about 40 or 50 years ago, something you see at a flea market for $75, you negotiate to $50 and still question if you didn’t get burned on the deal.
There’s an almost identical one to yours on eBay now for $345 which hasn’t sold because it’s priced at 5 to 10 times what it is worth.
The original mirror from 1893 is inlaid with abalone, is reverse painted, and has gold leaf lettering. You are correct that there are copies of the original design that regularly sell on eBay. They were made in the 1970s by lucid lines.
If you were a true collector, you would have some sense of what things are worth and valued.
A finely crafted Tiffany lamp, often one of a kind, with exquisite craftsmanship might bring anywhere from $10,000 to $300k+. Your mirror is nowhere near the craftsmanship of Tiffany studios. So, if this were a Winchester rifle, it would be valued similar to other known examples, with usually a footnote stating that if it has a certain rare variation, add 10%, 20%, 50%, etc.
So, if the painted Winchester rifle can be proven to be rare, maybe the only one in existence, you might compare with other known examples and maybe double the value on it. That’s if anyone even cares and wants to pay more for it. Which still makes your mirror worth under $100.
February 8, 2023
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mrcvs said
DB said
mrcvs said
DB said
Antique Winchester reverse painted, inlaid with abalone, advertising mirror made for the 1893 Columbian Worlds expo by Lewis Comfort Tiffany. 99.9 percent of Winchester collectors are unaware that this mirror exists. There were only two Winchester rifles embellished and displayed by Tiffany for the 1893 expo. Tiffany did not offer Winchester rifles in there sales catalogs. This mirror was the advertising to help publicize the relationship between the two companies.
What makes you think it’s worth $3,000,999? Three million can still get you A LOT!
To be honest with you, your mirror was manufactured about 40 or 50 years ago, something you see at a flea market for $75, you negotiate to $50 and still question if you didn’t get burned on the deal.
There’s an almost identical one to yours on eBay now for $345 which hasn’t sold because it’s priced at 5 to 10 times what it is worth.
The original mirror from 1893 is inlaid with abalone, is reverse painted, and has gold leaf lettering. You are correct that there are copies of the original design that regularly sell on eBay. They were made in the 1970s by lucid lines.
If you were a true collector, you would have some sense of what things are worth and valued.
A finely crafted Tiffany lamp, often one of a kind, with exquisite craftsmanship might bring anywhere from $10,000 to $300k+. Your mirror is nowhere near the craftsmanship of Tiffany studios. So, if this were a Winchester rifle, it would be valued similar to other known examples, with usually a footnote stating that if it has a certain rare variation, add 10%, 20%, 50%, etc.
So, if the painted Winchester rifle can be proven to be rare, maybe the only one in existence, you might compare with other known examples and maybe double the value on it. That’s if anyone even cares and wants to pay more for it. Which still makes your mirror worth under $100.
I appreciate your opinion. Thank you for your response.
September 22, 2011
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DB said
mrcvs said
DB said
mrcvs said
DB said
Antique Winchester reverse painted, inlaid with abalone, advertising mirror made for the 1893 Columbian Worlds expo by Lewis Comfort Tiffany. 99.9 percent of Winchester collectors are unaware that this mirror exists. There were only two Winchester rifles embellished and displayed by Tiffany for the 1893 expo. Tiffany did not offer Winchester rifles in there sales catalogs. This mirror was the advertising to help publicize the relationship between the two companies.
What makes you think it’s worth $3,000,999? Three million can still get you A LOT!
To be honest with you, your mirror was manufactured about 40 or 50 years ago, something you see at a flea market for $75, you negotiate to $50 and still question if you didn’t get burned on the deal.
There’s an almost identical one to yours on eBay now for $345 which hasn’t sold because it’s priced at 5 to 10 times what it is worth.
The original mirror from 1893 is inlaid with abalone, is reverse painted, and has gold leaf lettering. You are correct that there are copies of the original design that regularly sell on eBay. They were made in the 1970s by lucid lines.
If you were a true collector, you would have some sense of what things are worth and valued.
A finely crafted Tiffany lamp, often one of a kind, with exquisite craftsmanship might bring anywhere from $10,000 to $300k+. Your mirror is nowhere near the craftsmanship of Tiffany studios. So, if this were a Winchester rifle, it would be valued similar to other known examples, with usually a footnote stating that if it has a certain rare variation, add 10%, 20%, 50%, etc.
So, if the painted Winchester rifle can be proven to be rare, maybe the only one in existence, you might compare with other known examples and maybe double the value on it. That’s if anyone even cares and wants to pay more for it. Which still makes your mirror worth under $100.
I appreciate your opinion. Thank you for your response.
Thank you for your politeness and willingness to listen.
Sometimes folks have to hear what they don’t want to. I want to think that everything I own could be sold for a lavish retirement, as in each individual item. The reality is otherwise. If I sold everything it wouldn’t allow me to stop working.
Heres what I would do if I were you. Given it’s negligible value, I would keep it and enjoy it, if you enjoy it.
If not, I would list on eBay with a $1 start and let the market value it. And let it go for that. If you want to ensure you don’t completely give it away, you could list a reserve of $50 .
March 14, 2022
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DB, as stated in the ad, the asking price is subjective, but seriously, why not try to acquire provenance and a bona fide appraisal if you’re convinced. If it was proven legit, I would be the first one to say wow congratulations and send it to one of the premier auctions to maximize its value. I think you were hoping this post would be positive, but like others have said, even if the real deal, they think it’s still only worth a tiny fraction of the asking price. A well advertised premier auction would confirm soon enough.
Respectfully,
Rick C
February 8, 2023
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Rick C said
DB, as stated in the ad, the asking price is subjective, but seriously, why not try to acquire provenance and a bona fide appraisal if you’re convinced. If it was proven legit, I would be the first one to say wow congratulations and send it to one of the premier auctions to maximize its value. I think you were hoping this post would be positive, but like others have said, even if the real deal, they think it’s still only worth a tiny fraction of the asking price. A well advertised premier auction would confirm soon enough.
Respectfully,
The mirror has been scientifically analyzed using Raman Spectroscopy. The provenance is not something you can just acquire. I know the provenance from 1970 until today. When the mirror was acquired in 1970 it was already considered an antique. It was 77 years old and was described that way by Lucid lines when they copied the mirrors design for the remake.
February 8, 2023
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DB said
Rick C said
DB, as stated in the ad, the asking price is subjective, but seriously, why not try to acquire provenance and a bona fide appraisal if you’re convinced. If it was proven legit, I would be the first one to say wow congratulations and send it to one of the premier auctions to maximize its value. I think you were hoping this post would be positive, but like others have said, even if the real deal, they think it’s still only worth a tiny fraction of the asking price. A well advertised premier auction would confirm soon enough.
Respectfully,
The mirror has been scientifically analyzed using Raman Spectroscopy. The provenance is not something you can just acquire. I know the provenance from 1970 until today. When the mirror was acquired in 1970 it was already considered an antique. It was 77 years old and was described that way by Lucid lines when they copied the mirrors design for the remake.
February 8, 2023
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DB said
DB said
Rick C said
DB, as stated in the ad, the asking price is subjective, but seriously, why not try to acquire provenance and a bona fide appraisal if you’re convinced. If it was proven legit, I would be the first one to say wow congratulations and send it to one of the premier auctions to maximize its value. I think you were hoping this post would be positive, but like others have said, even if the real deal, they think it’s still only worth a tiny fraction of the asking price. A well advertised premier auction would confirm soon enough.
Respectfully,
The mirror has been scientifically analyzed using Raman Spectroscopy. The provenance is not something you can just acquire. I know the provenance from 1970 until today. When the mirror was acquired in 1970 it was already considered an antique. It was 77 years old and was described that way by Lucid lines when they copied the mirrors design for the remake.
May 23, 2009
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Maverick said
I don’t even know what proof there is that said mirror wasn’t made yesterday.
Maverick I believe you posted a response when I first submitted this mirror in 2011.
Yeah, I can’t find said response.
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February 8, 2023
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Maverick said
DB said
Maverick said
I don’t even know what proof there is that said mirror wasn’t made yesterday.
Maverick I believe you posted a response when I first submitted this mirror in 2011.
Yeah, I can’t find said response.
It looks like your posts only go back 13 years. It says you’ve been a member since 2009. I believe your post on mirror was in 2011. The system must have reset it self years ago and deleted your older posts
February 8, 2023
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mrcvs said
DB said
mrcvs said
DB said
mrcvs said
DB said
Antique Winchester reverse painted, inlaid with abalone, advertising mirror made for the 1893 Columbian Worlds expo by Lewis Comfort Tiffany. 99.9 percent of Winchester collectors are unaware that this mirror exists. There were only two Winchester rifles embellished and displayed by Tiffany for the 1893 expo. Tiffany did not offer Winchester rifles in there sales catalogs. This mirror was the advertising to help publicize the relationship between the two companies.
What makes you think it’s worth $3,000,999? Three million can still get you A LOT!
To be honest with you, your mirror was manufactured about 40 or 50 years ago, something you see at a flea market for $75, you negotiate to $50 and still question if you didn’t get burned on the deal.
There’s an almost identical one to yours on eBay now for $345 which hasn’t sold because it’s priced at 5 to 10 times what it is worth.
The original mirror from 1893 is inlaid with abalone, is reverse painted, and has gold leaf lettering. You are correct that there are copies of the original design that regularly sell on eBay. They were made in the 1970s by lucid lines.
If you were a true collector, you would have some sense of what things are worth and valued.
A finely crafted Tiffany lamp, often one of a kind, with exquisite craftsmanship might bring anywhere from $10,000 to $300k+. Your mirror is nowhere near the craftsmanship of Tiffany studios. So, if this were a Winchester rifle, it would be valued similar to other known examples, with usually a footnote stating that if it has a certain rare variation, add 10%, 20%, 50%, etc.
So, if the painted Winchester rifle can be proven to be rare, maybe the only one in existence, you might compare with other known examples and maybe double the value on it. That’s if anyone even cares and wants to pay more for it. Which still makes your mirror worth under $100.
I appreciate your opinion. Thank you for your response.
Thank you for your politeness and willingness to listen.
Sometimes folks have to hear what they don’t want to. I want to think that everything I own could be sold for a lavish retirement, as in each individual item. The reality is otherwise. If I sold everything it wouldn’t allow me to stop working.
Heres what I would do if I were you. Given it’s negligible value, I would keep it and enjoy it, if you enjoy it.
If not, I would list on eBay with a $1 start and let the market value it. And let it go for that. If you want to ensure you don’t completely give it away, you could list a reserve of $50 .
So you think I should list it with a 50 dollar reserve on eBay when the remake sells on eBay for $100? That doesn’t seem to make much sense. Lol.
August 27, 2014
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DB said
mrcvs said
DB said
mrcvs said
DB said
mrcvs said
DB said
Antique Winchester reverse painted, inlaid with abalone, advertising mirror made for the 1893 Columbian Worlds expo by Lewis Comfort Tiffany. 99.9 percent of Winchester collectors are unaware that this mirror exists. There were only two Winchester rifles embellished and displayed by Tiffany for the 1893 expo. Tiffany did not offer Winchester rifles in there sales catalogs. This mirror was the advertising to help publicize the relationship between the two companies.
What makes you think it’s worth $3,000,999? Three million can still get you A LOT!
To be honest with you, your mirror was manufactured about 40 or 50 years ago, something you see at a flea market for $75, you negotiate to $50 and still question if you didn’t get burned on the deal.
There’s an almost identical one to yours on eBay now for $345 which hasn’t sold because it’s priced at 5 to 10 times what it is worth.
The original mirror from 1893 is inlaid with abalone, is reverse painted, and has gold leaf lettering. You are correct that there are copies of the original design that regularly sell on eBay. They were made in the 1970s by lucid lines.
If you were a true collector, you would have some sense of what things are worth and valued.
A finely crafted Tiffany lamp, often one of a kind, with exquisite craftsmanship might bring anywhere from $10,000 to $300k+. Your mirror is nowhere near the craftsmanship of Tiffany studios. So, if this were a Winchester rifle, it would be valued similar to other known examples, with usually a footnote stating that if it has a certain rare variation, add 10%, 20%, 50%, etc.
So, if the painted Winchester rifle can be proven to be rare, maybe the only one in existence, you might compare with other known examples and maybe double the value on it. That’s if anyone even cares and wants to pay more for it. Which still makes your mirror worth under $100.
I appreciate your opinion. Thank you for your response.
Thank you for your politeness and willingness to listen.
Sometimes folks have to hear what they don’t want to. I want to think that everything I own could be sold for a lavish retirement, as in each individual item. The reality is otherwise. If I sold everything it wouldn’t allow me to stop working.
Heres what I would do if I were you. Given it’s negligible value, I would keep it and enjoy it, if you enjoy it.
If not, I would list on eBay with a $1 start and let the market value it. And let it go for that. If you want to ensure you don’t completely give it away, you could list a reserve of $50 .
So you think I should list it with a 50 dollar reserve on eBay when the remake sells on eBay for $100? That doesn’t seem to make much sense. Lol.
Rock Island Auction is your huckleberry…
You’ll find out in short order what it’s really worth
“If you can’t convince them, confuse them”
President Harry S. Truman
February 8, 2023
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Rick C said
I guess the $1,500,999 price increase isn’t enough to procure the services of RIA, Christie’s, Southby’s, etc. Let’s go with EBay at $3,000,999.
Rick C said
I guess the $1,500,999 price increase isn’t enough to procure the services of RIA, Christie’s, Southby’s, etc. Let’s go with EBay at $3,000,999.
Rick , I took this mirror to the Cody show in 2015 and showed it to one person. He was the son of the owner of the major Texas auction house. He came outside to my vehicle and viewed it in the parking lot at which time he agreed on selling it with low 5 figure reserve. At the end of the day when it was time to do paperwork and consign the mirror the man I had talked to was not at there booth. The employee working the booth was aware of the verbal consignment deal but would not guarantee which auction of theirs it would be placed in. I decided not to consign it without a guarantee that it be sold in the Premier auction.
March 14, 2022
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DB, I can understand your apprehension not to consign it if you feel it’s what you’re saying and not guaranteed it’s in the premier auction. Unfortunately, that may have been an opportunity missed. I come from a 32 year law-enforcement background, so if it was mine, I would be investigating and searching for provenance high and low. Maybe the world expo archives in Chicago or vintage literature somewhere still exist but I also understand It’s not easy like you said. I would really like to hear it’s the real deal and would be happy for you. Maybe there’s a company or organizations that investigate such inquiries to a dead end that can be accepted provenance does or doesn’t exist. 🤷🏼♂️
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