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I have a Model 64 with no front sight hood. I’ve seen things saying they did not come with one from the factory, but also seen people trying to find out which one fits because they’re trying to add one since their gun is “almost complete”. (I found it’s a 3277 style here on the forum.)
So….did they come from the factory with it or were they simply an option? If I should get one, where is a good parts source?
Thanks!
I believe the very early 64s did not have a hood but not very many. If the front sight ramp has a slot for a hood, it came with one.
I think I have one without the hood provision. I’ll have to pull it out and make sure I’m remembering correctly
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And Winchester didn’t make it easy to replace. Depending on “which” model you have, they vary from model to model. Carbines had a shorter wider hood and base, Zippers had a taller hood with a narrow base and then the “Standard” rifle. You may have to try several hoods to get the correct hood. The front sight bead will appear to be in the “center” of hood when correct. If I am incorrect in my description someone will correct me. RDB
sb said
I believe the very early 64s did not have a hood but not very many. If the front sight ramp has a slot for a hood, it came with one.I think I have one without the hood provision. I’ll have to pull it out and make sure I’m remembering correctly
Did you happen to check yours? Mine is at the smith.
sb said
Yes, mine has the two flutes but no slot for a hood
Would you be willing to post a pic or two?
When Winchester transitioned from the older Nickel Steel barrels to the new Proof Steel barrels, they also changed the front sight arrangement on the rifle barrels from a milled dovetail in the barrel to a silver soldered front ramp with a dovetail milled in it. The earliest ramps were not milled for a sight hood, but very shortly after production began, they added the slots for the sight hood. I have encountered at least 2-dozen Model 94s, (2) Model 65 rifles, and (2) Model 64 rifles (S/Ns 1088778 & 1088787) that do not have grooves for a sight hood.
This is what the ramp sight w/no grooves looks like.
Model 94s
Model 65
The second picture shows the difference in the sight ramp length for the non-slotted variety versus the later slotted variety.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert H. said
The second picture shows the difference in the sight ramp length for the non-slotted variety versus the later slotted variety.
Thank you, sir! Wow, that’s very different. I had my “new” 64 shipped directly to my gunsmith/FFL for servicing (he waves the transfer fee with that) so I don’t have the serial number or gun in front of me for a bit still.
I will share the info if you’re cataloguing the 64 like you are the 53 or 55 I recently sent you…
Jeremy
Jeremy P said
Thank you, sir! Wow, that’s very different. I had my “new” 64 shipped directly to my gunsmith/FFL for servicing (he waves the transfer fee with that) so I don’t have the serial number or gun in front of me for a bit still.
I will share the info if you’re cataloguing the 64 like you are the 53 or 55 I recently sent you…
Jeremy
Yes please… I would really appreciate a good clear photo of the front sight ramp on your Model 64.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert H. said
Jeremy P said
Thank you, sir! Wow, that’s very different. I had my “new” 64 shipped directly to my gunsmith/FFL for servicing (he waves the transfer fee with that) so I don’t have the serial number or gun in front of me for a bit still.
I will share the info if you’re cataloguing the 64 like you are the 53 or 55 I recently sent you…
Jeremy
Yes please… I would really appreciate a good clear photo of the front sight ramp on your Model 64.
Bert
Once I get it back, you’ll have it!
Jeremy P said
sb said
Yes, mine has the two flutes but no slot for a hood
Would you be willing to post a pic or two?
I’ll try. I think mine is one of the two serial numbers Bert posted
sb said
Jeremy P said
sb said
Yes, mine has the two flutes but no slot for a hood
Would you be willing to post a pic or two?
I’ll try. I think mine is one of the two serial numbers Bert posted
Yeah, no worries sb, Bert’s pic got me the visual I needed
The m64 in Bert’s photos appears to be a hood style front ramp. I will send him a photo or two of mine. It is not one of the two serial numbers he listed.
My ramp is like the one slotted for a hood but with no slot
sb said
The m64 in Bert’s photos appears to be a hood style front ramp. I will send him a photo or two of mine. It is not one of the two serial numbers he listed.My ramp is like the one slotted for a hood but with no slot
Oh, I’d still like to see that pic too then honestly.
sb said
Truly a different style sight but that looks like a hood slot to me! Am I misunderstanding something here?
It lacks the slot cut for later hoods. Bert tells me that is an early ramp for a hood that does not fit into slots. I’ve never seen such a hood so I’ve always assumed it never had a hood.
In the pictured Bert posted, note the fine slot cut in the flute on the ramp.
Here is a picture of an early front ramp sight without the fine milled slot groove for the hood.
This is a later production ramp sight with the finer milled slot groove for the hood.
As can been seen, Winchester had at least three evolutions of the ramp front sight bases. I am not sure, but it may also be related to whether or not the base was silver soldered to the barrel, or was milled integrally to the barrel.
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
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