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Winchester model 64 - came with front hood or not?
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I have a Model 64 with no front sight hood. I’ve seen things saying they did not come with one from the factory, but also seen people trying to find out which one fits because they’re trying to add one since their gun is “almost complete”. (I found it’s a 3277 style here on the forum.)

 

So….did they come from the factory with it or were they simply an option? If I should get one, where is a good parts source?

 

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I believe the very early 64s did not have a hood but not very many.  If the front sight ramp has a slot for a hood, it came with one.  

I think I have one without the hood provision.  I’ll have to pull it out and make sure I’m remembering correctly 

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And Winchester didn’t make it easy to replace.  Depending on “which” model you have, they vary from model to model.  Carbines had a shorter wider hood and base, Zippers had a taller hood with a narrow base and then the “Standard” rifle.  You may have to try several hoods to get the correct hood.  The front sight bead will appear to be in the “center” of hood when correct.  If I am incorrect in my description someone will correct me.   RDB

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Yes, it has the slots for one, I’ll start looking around for one.

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I believe the very early 64s did not have a hood but not very many.  If the front sight ramp has a slot for a hood, it came with one.  

I think I have one without the hood provision.  I’ll have to pull it out and make sure I’m remembering correctly 

  

Did you happen to check yours? Mine is at the smith.

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Yes, mine has the two flutes but no slot for a hood

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Yes, mine has the two flutes but no slot for a hood

  

Would you be willing to post a pic or two?

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When Winchester transitioned from the older Nickel Steel barrels to the new Proof Steel barrels, they also changed the front sight arrangement on the rifle barrels from a milled dovetail in the barrel to a silver soldered front ramp with a dovetail milled in it.  The earliest ramps were not milled for a sight hood, but very shortly after production began, they added the slots for the sight hood.  I have encountered at least 2-dozen Model 94s, (2) Model 65 rifles, and (2) Model 64 rifles (S/Ns 1088778 & 1088787) that do not have grooves for a sight hood.

This is what the ramp sight w/no grooves looks like.

Model 94s

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The second picture shows the difference in the sight ramp length for the non-slotted variety versus the later slotted variety.

 

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Bert H. said
 

The second picture shows the difference in the sight ramp length for the non-slotted variety versus the later slotted variety.

  

Thank you, sir! Wow, that’s very different. I had my “new” 64 shipped directly to my gunsmith/FFL for servicing (he waves the transfer fee with that) so I don’t have the serial number or gun in front of me for a bit still.

 

I will share the info if you’re cataloguing the 64 like you are the 53 or 55 I recently sent you…

 

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Thank you, sir! Wow, that’s very different. I had my “new” 64 shipped directly to my gunsmith/FFL for servicing (he waves the transfer fee with that) so I don’t have the serial number or gun in front of me for a bit still.

I will share the info if you’re cataloguing the 64 like you are the 53 or 55 I recently sent you…

Jeremy  

Yes please… I would really appreciate a good clear photo of the front sight ramp on your Model 64.

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Bert H. said

Jeremy P said

Thank you, sir! Wow, that’s very different. I had my “new” 64 shipped directly to my gunsmith/FFL for servicing (he waves the transfer fee with that) so I don’t have the serial number or gun in front of me for a bit still.

I will share the info if you’re cataloguing the 64 like you are the 53 or 55 I recently sent you…

Jeremy  

Yes please… I would really appreciate a good clear photo of the front sight ramp on your Model 64.

Bert

  

Once I get it back, you’ll have it!

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Jeremy P said

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Yes, mine has the two flutes but no slot for a hood

  

Would you be willing to post a pic or two?

  

I’ll try.  I think mine is one of the two serial numbers Bert posted

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sb said

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sb said

Yes, mine has the two flutes but no slot for a hood

  

Would you be willing to post a pic or two?

  

I’ll try.  I think mine is one of the two serial numbers Bert posted

  

Yeah, no worries sb, Bert’s pic got me the visual I needed

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The m64 in Bert’s photos appears to be a hood style front ramp.  I will send him a photo or two of mine.  It is not one of the two serial numbers he listed.

My ramp is like the one slotted for a hood but with no slot

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The m64 in Bert’s photos appears to be a hood style front ramp.  I will send him a photo or two of mine.  It is not one of the two serial numbers he listed.

My ramp is like the one slotted for a hood but with no slot

  

Oh, I’d still like to see that pic too then honestly.

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Truly a different style sight but that looks like a hood slot to me! Am I misunderstanding something here?

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It lacks the slot cut for later hoods. Bert tells me that is an early ramp for a hood that does not fit into slots.  I’ve never seen such a hood so I’ve always assumed it never had a hood.

In the pictured Bert posted, note the fine slot cut in the flute on the ramp.

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Here is a picture of an early front ramp sight without the fine milled slot groove for the hood.

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This is a later production ramp sight with the finer milled slot groove for the hood.

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As can been seen, Winchester had at least three evolutions of the ramp front sight bases.  I am not sure, but it may also be related to whether or not the base was silver soldered to the barrel, or was milled integrally to the barrel.

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