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"Beech" sights
April 8, 2017
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 In Nick Stroebel's book on gunsights, on page 43, Lyman made it's No. 5 combination" Beech" front sight. On page 201, Winchester had their "Beech" front sight, the No. 71 as of 1926. My question is how can you tell if a sight was Winchester made if it was made before 1926 ? Thanks, Dale.

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April 8, 2017
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Dale,

The #5 Lyman combination front sight was made by Lyman and was not called a "Beach" sight.  A lot of people refer to them as a beach but its not. The gold washed Beach combination sight was patented on April 9, 1867  by E. B. Beach. Winchester and other gun manufactures put the beach sight on their guns.

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April 9, 2017
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Thanks Bob for that info. Dale.

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April 9, 2017
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Dale,

While the original Beach combination sight and the Lyman No. 5 combination sight are similar, there are distinct physical differences between a true "Beach" combination front sight and the Lyman No. 5 combination front sight.  The Beach combination front sight has three separate sighting positions whereas the Lyman No. 5 only has two.

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Thanks once again Bert for answering my many questions. This is a great forum. Dale.

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The true Beach front sight and the Lyman counterpart are entirely different, both in construction and appearance.   Unless you have the two side by side, it would be difficult to explain the differences between the two.  You really need to see both, in order to have this explained.  In my opinion, the true Beach front sight is much more attractive on old Winchester's than the Lyman sight.

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Here is a close up picture of a Lyman 5B Ivory Bead on a 110 year old 1890.  Notice that the outer part of the sight ring is marked in part, LYMAN:

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Thanks Win4575 and jwm94 for your post's. Appreciate it. Dale.

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April 20, 2017
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This post intrigued me to check my sight inventory...found the Lyman and the Beach gold washed amongst the relics. Alas, someone unknown hacked off the hood on the Beach during its long history of surviving...

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I've seen on MADIS that there is :

Lyman 5-I : Ivory

Lyman 5-G : Gold

We seen some 5-I on the web, but I've not seen yet 5-G.

Have you ever seen that ?Laugh

 

Other question, sometimes it's written beech and we can see beach. What is the good ? Embarassed

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Perkins said
I've seen on MADIS that there is :

Lyman 5-I : Ivory

Lyman 5-G : Gold

We seen some 5-I on the web, but I've not seen yet 5-G.

Have you ever seen that ?Laugh

 

Other question, sometimes it's written beech and we can see beach. What is the good ? Embarassed  

I checked Lyman catalogs between 1903 & 1941 without finding a gold option offered.

Beach was the inventor's name.  Beech makes good gunstocks.

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So it's a mistake in the Madis's BookCry

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So it's a mistake in the Madis's BookCry  

Not the only mistake.

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March 28, 2020
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Here are two examples from the same era, both in high condition with neither the rifle nor sights showing any evidence of ever having been cleaned. What color would you call the bottom bead one?

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March 28, 2020
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The base of the bottom one appears to be in the white.

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1873man said
The base of the bottom one appears to be in the white.

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Good eye, Bob.  I'm thinking that is due to the lighting.  I'll post up another picture or two shortly, but I don't have a another picture showing the front of the muzzle, just side angles.

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It was apparently the lighting that caused the silver look of the base.  Notice, though, that the bead looks the same color from the front and the side...as poor as the pictures are dirt, grime and all.  Here go:

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jwm94 said
What color would you call the bottom one?

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Do you mean the globe?  Looks blued with a kind of rusty stain showing through underneath--as if it had been rust blued.  But the base of this one looks odd--the shoulders that support the globe seem unusual.

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clarence said

Do you mean the globe?  

No, the bead.  What color would you call it as compared to the top one in my first post showing the two pictures?  the sights on both rifles are primo in all respects.

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They are ivory

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