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Information needed on experimental shotgun
July 24, 2018
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pix622885744.jpgImage Enlargerpix480339852.jpgImage EnlargerI would like some help getting information on a shot gun purchase I made.  I have an obsession with unusual Winchesters and couldn't resist purchasing Gun Broker Item #778736996 on Sunday.  There are very good photos posted.  The description the seller provided is quite extensive.  I have ordered the "Gun Digest" referred to in the description.  Any information or observations will be helpful.  Thanks, Roger

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July 24, 2018
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`It will be interesting to say the least on what you find out.

I was following that auction.

I have purchased quite a few items from LS&B, and have always been pleased.

July 25, 2018
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Thanks Gregory for your reply.  I too have done business with Lock Stock & Barrel in the past and have transferred several guns for customers who purchased from them.   The people there have always been helpful, courteous and very straight forward.  In my opinion they 'are' what a gun seller should be.  RDB

July 26, 2018
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Update:

Received the experimental shotgun this morning.  Thank you Lock Stock and Barrel for the prompt shipping!  The gun seems to be all correct as shown.  The action was real stiff and I decided to take it down to clean and lube it.  All went well until reassembly.  The receiver extension does not have an adjusting sleeve locking screw to hold the barrel tight.  The barrel tightens and stops before the index mark is reached then the receiver extension continues to turn  and the barrel is stopped about 3 degrees before dead center.  OOPS!!!  The action slide is now out of alignment!  I had to put on my thinking cap when I finally realized what was wrong and I do not have a barrel vise.  Finally thought of a strap wrench I use to open jars and tighten pipes with.  After several tries (the barrel is slick), I was able to match up the indexing marks on the right side of the barrel, almost. Then tighten the barrel extension to proper alignment. At least the action slide went in without any resistance.  Whew!  The hydro coil stock seems to partially function and I could use some help with that, I haven't been able to find out any information on it's operation or trouble shooting it.  The receiver and barrel are aluminum. 

I hope someone out there can help.  Thanks,  Roger

July 27, 2018
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Roger

There was some discussion of this gun over on the the shotgunworld winchester forum.  They were unsure what to make about it over there.  Someone did find a past auction for it on Icollector through Little Johns Auction Service from 2010, but the winning bid is undisclosed.

http://www.icollector.com/item.aspx?i=8788124

You might try contacting the auction service to find out if they can give any information.

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July 27, 2018
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1L-mark.jpgImage EnlargerThanks josh,

Every little bit helps!

I believe the people at LS&B had some trouble getting the gun back together also.  The barrel has a new scrape mark that wasn't in the original photos.

Roger

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July 28, 2018
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That type of shotgun stock is mentioned and shown in a couple of R.L. Wilson's books.

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July 29, 2018
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 Regarding the stock.  From what I have been able to find out, the Hydro-coil stock didn't exist until the 1960s.   I have only seen the Hydro-coil stock in pictures before now, so I have no personal experience as to how it should work.  When you bring the gun up to your shoulder the stock collapses about an inch then shows some resistance. It does return, almost, to full length when the pressure is released.  I started to loosen the butt pad screws and did not notice any movement in the pad, so I stopped and  returned the screws to their original snugness.  I have, so far, been unable to find any instructions regarding the Hydro-coil construction or care.  I hope someone can offer some help.  Thanks, RDB

July 29, 2018
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Roger,

Dave Riffle mentions them in hos book on the Model 12. It is my understanding that Winchester only used them for a short period of time due to them being prone to failure.

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August 2, 2018
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Special thanks to Josh "Keydet15"!  I was fortunate enough to find and purchase the June 1977, "Guns & Ammo" magazine referenced in the auction description in the link you provided.  I am very grateful for the information you shared.  It's members like you that make WACA so great.  Keep up the good work!  As a special bonus, the article is about the Hydro-Coil stock and has a picture of the Model 12 serial #1L-S.  I'm Jazzed!!!  Roger Baker

August 3, 2018
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Thank you Very Much Roger. But I have to give the credit to the folks over on the shotgunworld forum.  Have you gotten the copy of the magazine yet and did you try contacting the auction service to see if they could give you any information on it?

Josh

August 3, 2018
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Haven't tried to contact the auction, but here are the pages from the June 1977 GUNS & AMMO magazine.  This article should provide provenance for the gun.  Something I usually don't have.  The serial number is plainly shown in the magazine pictures!

Roger

 

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December 9, 2019
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How do you check a Hyrocoil to make sure it is working properly? Dose anyone still repair them and a contact # would help. Thanks, Bob

December 11, 2019
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Burly Bob,  The only information I was able to find on the hydro-coil stock was by checking the information posted on the internet.  Most dates back to the 1960s.  I wasn't able to find anything more up to date.  My computer skills are quite limited, perhaps you might have better luck.  If so, please share any information you come up with.  Thanks, Roger

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December 28, 2019
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Thanks Vince.  Just discovered your post.  Good information to have.  I have decided to leave the gun "as is".  Once something is changed it is no longer original.  If there is one thing I have learned from the Forum it is "Original" is the determining factor in a collector gun.  Condition is second.  I am still teachable, but now have memory problems!  Wishing you and all a "HAPPY NEW YEAR" and fun collecting.  Roger

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 Correct me if I am wrong,but I do seem to remember reading some where ,that Winchestyer tried using aluminum barrels on the 28 gauge Winchester Model 21 with not good results.The barrels blew up.

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