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November 14, 2020
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I lightened the picture.

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My thought is that those two gas relief vents are probably unneeded.

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Is this original or a bastardized 1892 or a model 65?

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Rick,

The serial number tells the story... it is a non-factory reworked Model 1892.

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The serial number tells the story... it is a non-factory reworked Model 1892.
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Thanks Bert. I knew that Henry has a m94 with a m64 barrel which Renneberg illustrated it in one of his books as original configuration.

I didn’t know if this rifle I posted was the same case with the limited information available but figured someone here would know.

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RickC said

Thanks Bert. I knew that Henry has a m94 with a m64 barrel which Renneberg illustrated it in one of his books as original configuration. I didn’t know if this was the same case with the limited information available but figured someone here would know.  

I have a 94 with a 64 barrel and it looks all original to me. But who really knows. Guess I could try to run the number.

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Nearly all of the Model 1894/94 rifles I have physically inspected that have a Model 64 barrel installed on them were aftermarket alterations. While it is possible that Winchester might have installed a Model 64 barrel on a Model 1894/94, the odds of it being authentic are very slim.

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Would’ve been nice if barrels had a ser # added at time of shipping that matched. No guessing or stories to sell then on originality.

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Well I do have 2 of these '94/64 guns , I posted them previously on the forum but I'll do it again. The one , ser# 1,343,643, is in Bob's book and is barrel stamped mod64 it has a mod 94 forestock that fits perfect in .30 w c f . Both barrel and rcv'r are double proofed.The other one , ser#1,299,636, is barrel stamped mod 94 and has a mod'64 forestock in 32 sp  Barrel and rcv'r are single proofed.Both guns are year stamped 39 under the forestock at the rcv'r. The fit and finish of these 2 guns is such that I personally have no doubt they were factory built as is.20200519_083608.jpgImage Enlarger20200519_083616.jpgImage Enlarger20200519_083619.jpgImage Enlarger20200519_083626.jpgImage Enlarger20200519_083640.jpgImage Enlarger20200519_083651.jpgImage Enlarger20200519_083712.jpgImage Enlarger20200519_083721.jpgImage Enlarger20200519_083733.jpgImage Enlarger

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Hello Rick,

If you can get the rifle for less than $150 then go for it.  As previously noted the barrel is not original to the gun and the left side of the receiver has three additional non factory holes in it for mounting a scope.

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If you can get the rifle for less than $150 then go for it.  As previously noted the barrel is not original to the gun and the left side of the receiver has three additional non factory holes in it for mounting a scope.

Michael  

Thanks Michael. Not sure where the hammer price will fall but I really hope some unsuspecting buyer doesn’t get snowballed on this one.

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RickC said

Thanks Michael. Not sure where the hammer price will fall but I really hope some unsuspecting buyer doesn’t get snowballed on this one.

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"Unsuspecting"?   You mean BLIND? 

"Less than $150" is nonsense--any parts dealer would happily pay that much & more; not that they'll get the chance when it's already approaching 9 bills.

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Yes you have a point there Clarence. The 218 bee must be the blinded draw on this one.

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Henry Mero said
Well I do have 2 of these '94/64 guns , I posted them previously on the forum but I'll do it again. The one , ser# 1,343,643, is in Bob's book and is barrel stamped mod64 it has a mod 94 forestock that fits perfect in .30 w c f . Both barrel and rcv'r are double proofed.The other one , ser#1,299,636, is barrel stamped mod 94 and has a mod'64 forestock in 32 sp  Barrel and rcv'r are single proofed.Both guns are year stamped 39 under the forestock at the rcv'r. The fit and finish of these 2 guns is such that I personally have no doubt they were factory built as is.20200519_083608.jpgImage Enlarger20200519_083616.jpgImage Enlarger20200519_083619.jpgImage Enlarger20200519_083626.jpgImage Enlarger20200519_083640.jpgImage Enlarger20200519_083651.jpgImage Enlarger20200519_083712.jpgImage Enlarger20200519_083721.jpgImage Enlarger20200519_083733.jpgImage Enlarger  

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Serial number 1343643 went through the Polishing Room on October 4th, 1945.  If the barrel is stamped "39", it is highly unlikely to be original.  The "P" and "WP" stamps on the barrel were typical of a Mail Order part from that era. 

Serial number 1299636 went through the Polishing Room in October 1941. 

If either of these guns was assembled by Winchester, I would expect to see barrels dates that are later than the dates the receivers were manufactured.  Incidentally, both of the rifles have a Model 94 Carbine butt stock and butt plate on them.  

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My thoughts? If I wanted a shooter in 218 Bee I’d give it some thought. But....I’ve finally quit buying shooters and the .218 is ground I’ll probably never feel the need to plow. 

 

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My thoughts? If I wanted a shooter in 218 Bee I’d give it some thought. But....I’ve finally quit buying shooters and the .218 is ground I’ll probably never feel the need to plow. 

 

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I'm at the same point Mike describes.  I used to buy shooters and they were fun.  I still have many of them.  They're still fun... but I surely don't need any more.  If you have use for a shooter, something exotic like this can be fun to pursue.  An important caveat (in my mind) is that a shooter must be purchased at a shooter price.  When you are bidding against others at an auction, many will often bid as though the rifle is more of a collector item than a shooter. 

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When you are bidding against others at an auction, many will often bid as though the rifle is more of a collector item than a shooter.   

In other words, you're bidding against an ignoramus, plentiful on all the auction sites--a loosing proposition.

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 Bert ; the "P" and "WP" is stamped on both the barrel and receiver. They may have been assembled in 1941 and 1945 but I still say they had to have been factory assembled of parts.

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Henry Mero said
 Bert ; the "P" and "WP" is stamped on both the barrel and receiver. They may have been assembled in 1941 and 1945 but I still say they had to have been factory assembled of parts.  

Henry,

Unless you can positively prove (with irrefutable documentation) that Winchester originally manufactured them in their current configuration, the vast majority of advanced collectors are going to view them as "aftermarket" mail order parts guns.  The "P" proof mark on the receiver is damning proof that it was not a standard factory production rifle.

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