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Trying to confirm some details on a model 71 carbine. Is the mussel diameter same on carbine and rifle. What should l d it measure. Is the sight ramp same length as rifle?  Is rear sight dovetail same dis t acne from receiver?  Been trying to study but can’t find this info. I know differences occur in model 64. Expert knowledge appreciated

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Trying to confirm some details on a model 71 carbine. Is the mussel diameter same on carbine and rifle. What should l d it measure. Is the sight ramp same length as rifle?  Is rear sight dovetail same dis t acne from receiver?  Been trying to study but can’t find this info. I know differences occur in model 64. Expert knowledge appreciated

  

Pat – have you looked at the Bert Hartman article in the summer 2021 Collector magazine – available on-line and lots of detailed information in the article.

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Yes. Doesn’t mention these details that I saw

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The front ramp on the 20-inch Model 71 rifles is shorter than the ramp on the 24-inch rifles. I have not ever put a micrometer on the muzzles to see what (if any) the differences might be.

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Yes. Doesn’t mention these details that I saw

  

Pat – I had half a dozen 71’s at one time, both rifles and carbines, and always assumed the only difference was the length of the barrel. Your question peaked my interest and took about half a bottle of Crown Royal here on a rainy Alaska night to even find anything regarding muzzle diameter. The West book, pages 56.3 thru 56.8 discusses details and says “early rifles had 24 inch long barrels, 5/8 inch diameter at the uncrowned muzzle. and 15/16 inch at the receiver”. He goes on to say”the new carbine length 20 inch barrels were available on standard and deluze guns and they measured 11/16 inch in diameter at the uncrowned muzzle”. And, he says “the front sight ramps were 2-1/2 inches long which was 1/4 inch less than those on the rifles”. If you are looking at buying a carbine, be careful and do your homework as so many have been messed with. 

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Than k s for info Burt. Please excuse my ignorance but what is the West book you refer to

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Than k s for info Burt. Please excuse my ignorance but what is the West book you refer to

  

Pat – here you go–

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Thank you. I’ve never seen or heard of these books

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I don’t know how many volumes there are but the first ones came out about 1965.  The first 2 volumes can be found for sale but are pricey.

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I don’t know how many volumes there are but the first ones came out about 1965.  The first 2 volumes can be found for sale but are pricey.

  

There were at least (9) volumes, and all of them are rife with erroneous information… I certainly would not pay the current asking price for any of them today (I bought my copies in the early 1980s when they were very cheap).

9 BOOK SET OF BILL WEST WINCHESTER BOOKS. (icollector.com)

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 I have three of the West books, that I bought back in the 1980’s.Winchester Complete,Volume 1 and Volume 4.Winchester Complete has some nice black and white pictures in it and I like to look at the targets shot with the different Winchester rifles in Volume 4.Smile

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