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                    <title>Jeremy P on Above my pay grade</title>
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It’s best you just click on the first link and not scroll down.  </p>
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<p>I scrolled too far despite your warning. <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Frown" alt="Frown" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-frown.gif" /></p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2026 22:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>John Lindly on New 1907 SL with interesting history</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I contacted Firearms News about getting in contact with the author of the 2023 article.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2026 21:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Above my pay grade</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Ian.  I didn't know that. I missed touring Ford's Theater because we ran out of time. The decision of the late Adjudant General is a classic example why the country shouldn't be ruled by politically unaccountable "experts" - frequently wrong but never in doubt.</p>
<p>(If anybody needs more proof, consider the arrogant decision of the pathologist who burned his bloodstained original autopsy notes following President Kennedy's autopsy. Why destroy such an important piece of evidence? He didn't want it to become a gruesome attraction for the morbid. Never mind that its <em>absence </em>has been the focus of innumerable conspiracy theories, causing whole forests to disappear into paper sufficient to print endless blather.)</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2026 19:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Chuck on New 1907 SL with interesting history</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I do not have a copy.  Can you contact the seller?</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2026 18:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>mrcvs on Above my pay grade</title>
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<p><strong>Zebulon said </strong><br />
I agree Stanton is a controversial figure in history and don't recall writing he was a hero. But he unquestionably was the driving force and man of the early post-assassination hours - whatever his motivations - without whom Booth would have escaped. <br />
The foregoing makes the Stanton Henry an important artifact in the same way Booth's Derringer and Spencer carbine are artifacts (assuming either still exists.)<br />
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<p>Both still exist:</p>
<p><a href="https://fords.org/lincolns-assassination/booths-deringer/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://fords.org/lincolns-assassination/booths-deringer/</a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php?topic=57144.0" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php?topic=57144.0</a></p>
<p>I recall seeing the derringer at Ford’s Theater circa 1987.</p>
<p>It’s best you just click on the first link and not scroll down.  There’s debate with mostly dumb responses as to if Ford’s Theater should actually display the weapon.</p>
<p>I guess I’m just not PC, insensitive, out of touch with the increasing number of Democratic socialists out there, insensitive, or just a plain jerk.</p>
<p>Then again, there’s a photograph of Mark Twain holding a Colt Model 1903 pistol and he discusses at length a Smith &#038; Wesson No 1 pistol in his writings and discussed (eventually) donating them to enhance existing exhibits at the museum in Hartford and was told to pack sand.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2026 16:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on Above my pay grade</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I think (that generally is a mistake) that Stanton was potentially important to the future of the company and a very attractive example was placed in his hands so that he's have the opportunity to examine it more closely. It's hard to say how well that worked for Winchester but such is the nature of marketing. The modern upside is we got to see some awesome eye candy and witnessed an exciting sale. </p>
<p>Is it too soon to ask what it will take to top this one? </p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2026 14:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Above my pay grade</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I agree Stanton is a controversial figure in history and don't recall writing he was a hero. But he unquestionably was the driving force and man of the early post-assassination hours - whatever his motivations - without whom Booth would have escaped. </p>
<p>The foregoing makes the Stanton Henry an important artifact in the same way Booth's Derringer and Spencer carbine are artifacts (assuming either still exists.)</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2026 14:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Rick C on Above my pay grade</title>
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Zebulon said<br />
As for provenance of the Henry in question, remember that Lewis Powell a/k/a Paine attacked the Secretary of State but failed to kill him. The  Vice President was not trusted because of his putative Southern sympathies. The government was pretty much headless while everybody gathered around Lincoln as he lay dying - and it was Stanton who stepped up and organized the pursuit of Booth and the investigation of who was involved. <br />
Stanton took charge quickly and, if not for him, Booth would have probably gotten beyond the reach of American law. <br />
I contend that whose rifle this was is a large component of its price. Stanton was not a peripheral player in the assassination aftermath.<br />
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<p>Keep in mind there are those who believe Stanton himself was actually behind Lincoln’s assassination! Either way, I agree it was a large component of its final price!<br />
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<p>I’m not sure where the historians have landed now on Stanton’s possible involvement as stated above but, the American public was also given a hero’s perception regarding Custer and Little Big Horn until a century later when details from the other side changed some minds and still spark ongoing debate. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2026 11:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Buck94 on Above my pay grade</title>
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<p><strong>Zebulon said </strong><br />
As for provenance of the Henry in question, remember that Lewis Powell a/k/a Paine attacked the Secretary of State but failed to kill him. The  Vice President was not trusted because of his putative Southern sympathies. The government was pretty much headless while everybody gathered around Lincoln as he lay dying - and it was Stanton who stepped up and organized the pursuit of Booth and the investigation of who was involved. <br />
Stanton took charge quickly and, if not for him, Booth would have probably gotten beyond the reach of American law. <br />
I contend that whose rifle this was is a large component of its price. Stanton was not a peripheral player in the assassination aftermath.<br />
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<p>Keep in mind there are those who believe Stanton himself was actually behind Lincoln’s assassination! Either way, I agree it was a large component of its final price!</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2026 11:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>John Lindly on New 1907 SL with interesting history</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Kevindpm61 - Everybody will tell you not to mess with the internals in these especially the disassembly of the internal bolt and heavy recoil spring assembly located in the forearm.  I imagine replacing the barrel would require taking things apart that are extremely difficult to put back together.</p>
<p>Chuck - I found a copy of the February 1929 American Rifleman on eBay and the table of contents has no listing of the article you recommended.  Are you quoting the Firearms News article or do you have a copy of this?</p>
<p>Thanks to all who replied!</p>
<p>John</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2026 03:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Above my pay grade</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>As for provenance of the Henry in question, remember that Lewis Powell a/k/a Paine attacked the Secretary of State but failed to kill him. The  Vice President was not trusted because of his putative Southern sympathies. The government was pretty much headless while everybody gathered around Lincoln as he lay dying - and it was Stanton who stepped up and organized the pursuit of Booth and the investigation of who was involved. </p>
<p>Stanton took charge quickly and, if not for him, Booth would have probably gotten beyond the reach of American law. </p>
<p>I contend that <em>whose </em>rifle this was is a large component of its price. Stanton was not a peripheral player in the assassination aftermath.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2026 02:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Jeremy P on Above my pay grade</title>
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<p>Jeremy P said<br />
I left early and didn't have a chance to try and pry for info or I would've gone and tried to speak to the buyer. Lost opportunity!<br />
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<p>But you saw gun collecting history made. Was I right about the black cap?<br />
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Mike<br />
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<p>No black cap!</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2026 01:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>kevindpm61 on New 1907 SL with interesting history</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>How difficult is it to find a spare barrel that can be cut down instead of the original? I know very little about how difficult it would be to swap out barrels. I love that tiger stripe!</p>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on Above my pay grade</title>
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<p><strong>Jeremy P said </strong><br />
I left early and didn't have a chance to try and pry for info or I would've gone and tried to speak to the buyer. Lost opportunity!<br />
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<p>But you saw gun collecting history made. Was I right about the black cap?</p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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                    <title>Jeremy P on Above my pay grade</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I left early and didn't have a chance to try and pry for info or I would've gone and tried to speak to the buyer. Lost opportunity!</p>
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