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IMG_1969-1.jpegImage EnlargerIMG_1968-1.jpegImage EnlargerIMG_1970-1.jpegImage EnlargerIMG_1971-1.jpegImage EnlargerI’ve discussed this rifle in bits & pieces in other threads, but hadn’t gotten around to photographing it until today.  R & R letter, doesn’t match the current configuration of 1/2 round 1/2 octagon barrel, single set trigger.  Does letter with sights and I’m aware the front sight should fold down forwards.

Yet another example of the honest rifles I used to buy when money was tight and before big name auction houses pushed ultra high condition rifles—even if that ultra high condition rifle is a clever refinish.

Shipped 135 years ago on Monday.  This rifle is one of my favorites and has brought me great pleasure the 30 years now I’ve been its proud caretaker.

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Yet another example of the honest rifles I used to buy when money was tight and before big name auction houses pushed ultra high condition rifles—even if that ultra high condition rifle is a clever refinish.

I’d be quite happy with this cond.

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clarence said

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Yet another example of the honest rifles I used to buy when money was tight and before big name auction houses pushed ultra high condition rifles—even if that ultra high condition rifle is a clever refinish.

I’d be quite happy with this cond.

  

Amen!  More condition than those 100% condition rifles touted by auction houses.  100% faked and refinished, but they fail to disclose that.

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I am thinking of maybe offering this rifle for sale, simply because I’m a bit of a purist and the letter does not match this rifle in that the letter states that this rifle should have an octagon barrel and it has a part round part octagon barrel.  Also, the letter does not mention the single set trigger.

I would think the Mid Range tang sight alone would be worth about $750 these days.

So, IF I was to sell this rifle these days, what would be the best venue for it and what might be the expected selling price for it, if at auction, or what should I ask for it if a private sale, maybe somewhere like the Baltimore Show next year?

Selling this is a big IF.  This might be one of those rifles that brings me more pleasure owning than its dollar figure.  We shall see.

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What is the s/n on this rifle?

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My 22 single shot has single set trigger which does not letter but has CF on tang like yours. Don

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What is the s/n on this rifle?  

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So, IF I was to sell this rifle these days, what would be the best venue for it and what might be the expected selling price for it, if at auction, or what should I ask for it if a private sale, maybe somewhere like the Baltimore Show next year?

So it’s BETTER than the letter description, & you don’t like it!   I’d tear up the letter & KEEP the rifle!  You’re lucky to be able to attend Baltimore, & doubly lucky if you know someone with a table who’d allow you to set it out.  If you merely walk around with it, you’ll be relentlessly pestered by dealers offering you a quarter of its worth.

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My 22 single shot has single set trigger which does not letter but has CF on tang like yours. Don

  

Single set triggers were sometimes overlooked when the serial numbers were recorded in the factory ledger records.  A set trigger on a Single Shot rifle was standard for some of the variations, and special order on others.  In my research survey of the factory records, nearly 17% of all Single Shot rifles were factory equipped with a set trigger.

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clarence said

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So, IF I was to sell this rifle these days, what would be the best venue for it and what might be the expected selling price for it, if at auction, or what should I ask for it if a private sale, maybe somewhere like the Baltimore Show next year?

So it’s BETTER than the letter description, & you don’t like it!   I’d tear up the letter & KEEP the rifle!  You’re lucky to be able to attend Baltimore, & doubly lucky if you know someone with a table who’d allow you to set it out.  If you merely walk around with it, you’ll be relentlessly pestered by dealers offering you a quarter of its worth.  

It’s better than the letter, but that’s a problem and hurts the value significantly as it doesn’t match the letter and the barrel is likely a later replacement.

I would have to just walk around with it at the Baltimore show.

I bring up the Baltimore show as it was this weekend.  I haven’t attended in a long time as I have heard it isn’t the same since Covid.  Any thoughts on that?

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mrcvs said

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What is the s/n on this rifle?  

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Is the 1/2 octagon barrel 26-inches or is it longer?  The fact that it was returned to Winchester in September 1892 indicates that it was most likely reworked to its present configuration.

Can you add a clear picture of the Winchester roll marking on the barrel?  With it, I can most likely determine if it is original or a later replacement.

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Bert H. said

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Is the 1/2 octagon barrel 26-inches or is it longer?  The fact that it was returned to Winchester in September 1892 indicates that it was most likely reworked to its present configuration.

Can you add a clear picture of the Winchester roll marking on the barrel?  With it, I can most likely determine if it is original or a later replacement.

  

It’s 28”.

Here is the roll marking.

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I bring up the Baltimore show as it was this weekend.  I haven’t attended in a long time as I have heard it isn’t the same since Covid.  Any thoughts on that? 

Still best on East Coast.  If some of the mob that formerly lined up for 100 yds outside the door have gone elsewhere, that makes it better.

If I had the money to buy that rifle, the discrepancy in the letter wouldn’t phase me in the least.

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Take the forend stock off and remove the flat-spring, then take pictures of all the markings you find stamped on the underside of the barrel.

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Take the forend stock off and remove the flat-spring, then take pictures of all the markings you find stamped on the underside of the barrel. 

There was another thread on this rifle and I didn’t realize this. 

Edit:  Here are the photographs from last time.

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Can you reshoot the pictures… also, remove the flat-spring before taking the new pictures.

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mrcvs said Edit:  Here are the photographs from last time.

What I don’t see is the “OF” mark, indicating brl replacement outside the factory.  Otherwise, a factory-replaced brl adds to the history of the gun, shows it belonged to a thoughtful shooter who returned it to make it better, for him.  For ex, the half-round brl probably handles a little better than the full oct.  Why would this added history detract from the gun’s value?  The new brl might have been fitted by the same assembler who attached the first one.  I like it.

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Can you reshoot the pictures… also, remove the flat-spring before taking the new pictures. 

Here’s the original thread.  It wasn’t as easy to find as I hoped.

I think the conclusion is the barrel was replaced.

As such, what should I value this rifle at IF I offer it for sake?

https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-rifles/on-the-subject-of-returned-and-repaired-letters-heres-one-for-a-model-1885/page-2/ 

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So, what is the conclusion as to the best venue to sell this at and what I should ask for it or what it might bring at auction?

IF I should wish to sell this.  It’s debatable whether to sell as it doesn’t meet my strict criteria or to keep as I might be its greatest admirer.

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So, what is the conclusion as to the best venue to sell this at and what I should ask for it or what it might bring at auction?

IF I should wish to sell this.  It’s debatable whether to sell as it doesn’t meet my strict criteria or to keep as I might be its greatest admirer.

  

Put it on Gunbroker and let it sell for whatever the bidders decide it is worth.  I suspect that will sell for something in the $3K – $4K range.

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