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Renegade: My Routledge Bore has serial number 45138, and does not have the "w" on the bottom of the receiver. Some RBs did, and some not. I have two friends with Routledge Bore rifles, and an acquaintance nearby that owns two!
Ned Schwing’s volumes was the catalyst for Model 61 collectors.
Merrill
Can you collect some serial numbers for me for the list??
I am up to 12 numbers
merrbarb said
Hello Dart:Also in my collection is a .22 WMR smoothbore with MOD screw-on choke, a companion to the one shown in Schwing’s book. There are 3 or 4 of these floating around. This was not a cataloged item as they did not proceed beyond the prototype stage.
Merrill
Let’s compare numbers on the WMR Shot. All supposedly in the 319XXX series.
Thanks to all of you have contributed to my quest to assemble a serial number list of known TRUE routledge bores.
As of now, we are up to about 20 guns!!! Far exceeding my expectations. Please continue to spread the word to possible owners.
My list of known serial numbers is now up to 28 guns! Please continue to put the word out and provide feedback.
Rennegade , Are you going to share your info at some point ?
To all, What should one expect to pay for each of these smoothbore 61s?
I would like to have at least one but have no idea of value.
Thanks
Wayne
oliver said
Rennegade , Are you going to share your info at some point ?To all, What should one expect to pay for each of these smoothbore 61s?
I would like to have at least one but have no idea of value.Thanks
Wayne
Yes I plan on sharing my findings. At this point I am still waiting for some more input from some owners. The goal is to get as many as I can until the "well goes dry" so to speak. Rather than publish it weekly, I want to wait until I’m pretty sure I have received all that I reasonably might expect.
As for pricing, I have seen some go in 2012 at auctions for as low as the 5K range and some above 7K. Condition is everything. I am aware of 2 that are NIB.
oliver said
Rennegade , Are you going to share your info at some point ?To all, What should one expect to pay for each of these smoothbore 61s?
I would like to have at least one but have no idea of value.Thanks
Wayne
HERE ARE MY FINDINGS SO FAR!!! 30 KNOWN SERIAL NUMBERS! KEEP THEM COMING!
Serial Number Source
1 45010 Schwing Book (page 51)
2 45022 BL
3 45052 BL
4 45053 BL
5 45064 CH Key
6 45078 CH Key
7 45112 LS auction
8 45132 DDM
9 45138 MW
10 45143 CH Key Reblue
11 45189 RIA (Refinished)
12 45318 CH Key
13 45676 DDM
14 462XX Via MW (anonymous)
15 46264 JA GI-Ad (wausau)
16 46398 JO
17 46600 CH Key
18 46627 BL, JS
19 46797 CH Key
20 46942 CH Key
21 46978 Schwing Book (page 52)
22 47000 CH Key Book (page 50)
23 47006 Madis Winchester Handbook (page 238)
24 47055 JB
25 47243 CH Key
26 47266 CH Key
27 47554 JS (Boxed)
28 47727 DDM
29 47856 JS
30 48000 CH Key
Thank You !
oliver said
Rennegade , Are you going to share your info at some point ?To all, What should one expect to pay for each of these smoothbore 61s?
I would like to have at least one but have no idea of value.Thanks
Wayne
HERE ARE MY FINDINGS SO FAR!!! 30 KNOWN SERIAL NUMBERS! KEEP THEM COMING!
Serial Number Source
1 45010 Schwing Book (page 51)
2 45022 BL
3 45052 BL
4 45053 BL
5 45064 CH Key
6 45078 CH Key
7 45112 LS auction
8 45132 DDM
9 45138 MW
10 45143 CH Key Reblue
11 45189 RIA (Refinished)
12 45318 CH Key
13 45676 DDM
14 462XX Via MW (anonymous)
15 46264 JA GI-Ad (wausau)
16 46398 JO
17 46600 CH Key
18 46627 BL, JS
19 46797 CH Key
20 46942 CH Key
21 46978 Schwing Book (page 52)
22 47000 CH Key Book (page 50)
23 47006 Madis Winchester Handbook (page 238)
24 47055 JB
25 47243 CH Key
26 47266 CH Key
27 47554 JS (Boxed)
28 47727 DDM
29 47856 JS
30 48000 CH Key
We have another addition!!!! NOW UP TO 31 OF 77!
Serial Number Source
1 45010 Schwing Book (page 51)
2 45022 BL
3 45052 BL
4 45053 BL
5 45064 DDM
6 45066 RDA
7 45078 CH Key
8 45112 LS auction
9 45132 DDM
10 45138 MW
11 45143 CH Key Reblue
12 45189 RIA (Refinished)
13 45318 CH Key
14 45676 DDM
15 462XX Via MW (anonymous)
16 46264 JA GI-Ad (wausau)
17 46398 JO
18 46600 CH Key
19 46627 BL, JS
20 46797 CH Key
21 46942 CH Key
22 46978 Schwing Book (page 52)
23 47000 CH Key Book (page 50)
24 47006 Madis Winchester Handbook (page 238)
25 47055 JB
26 47243 CH Key
27 47266 CH Key
28 47554 JS (Boxed)
29 47727 DDM
30 47856 JS
31 48000 CH Key
Now up to 34 known serial numbers! Thanks to all who are contributing!
Hello,
I have read Scchwing’s book and Have not come across any mention of the overall production percentage of caliber and barrel configurations data. Is anyone aware, or doing this sort of data collection?
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
I am not aware of any databases that focus on the number of, or percentage of, the caliber, barrel, or barrel inscriptions besides the research that I conducted on the Routledge Bore. It is possible to do the same thing for Winchester Counter-bore pre-war variations in the 50,000-52,000 range. Possible other earlier variations. A lot of the 61 records were lost. A voluntary approach thru a web site such as this may be the only way!!??
Renegade wrote:
A voluntary approach thru a web site such as this may be the only way!!??
Hmmm? Do I need something else to do with my free time?
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
My sentiments exactly. You should take on Model 61 round barrel shorts, or Pre-war Winchester counter-bores. If we could get enough people to take on a variation we would split the work load. 🙂
To all,
I have decided to begin cataloging the caliber and barrel configurations of for the entire the Model 61 production run. While chewing off a small, certain unique style may be easier it ends up letting too much good and usefull data go past you in the hope of somebody else getting it. I may as well enter it while I have it on the computer screen.
Sooooo…. Open up the safes and please send me the serial number, caliber stamp information for the rifle and the barrel shape style. No photos are necessary for this, just a simple list will do. You can either PM me or send to my email at [email protected] Hopefully, this work will shed a tiny bit of light on the overall production percentages of the Model 61 and make a small compliment to the work done in Schwing’s book.
Wish me luck
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
Renegade,
Absolutely. Especially if it has lots of rifles listed on it!
Thanks
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
Renegade,
I came across SN 40722 which is listed as Routledge Bored. As of this afternoon I have a total of 305 rifles in the survey and have hardly scratched the surface of auction catalogs!
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
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