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clarence said
Chuck said
Swiss butts are ugly and I don’t like something that is really not comfortable to shoot.Actually, I think inexperienced shooters ordered them because they looked “impressive,” but to deny they interfere with “normal” shooting is ridiculous. Formal Schuetzen off-hand target competition, the purpose for which they were originally designed (as practiced in German-speaking countries, inc. Switzerland) does not qualify as “normal shooting” in my book. As a collector of SS rifles, I’ve been shooting with them most of my life, but that long experience hasn’t made them less troublesome; sure, you can “make do” with them, as I have, but don’t tell me “making do” is the best option for a general purpose hunting rifle.
I agree. I’m a bit disappointed. When Bert said he was going to stir the pot I thought I’d kick it over. Can’t believe nobody responded to my negative post?
Chuck said
I agree. I’m a bit disappointed. When Bert said he was going to stir the pot I thought I’d kick it over. Can’t believe nobody responded to my negative post?
That’s easy: Have 1873man take his crescent butt plate tools over to the Model 70 Bull thread and offer to fix randye’s stock. Apparently it was sanded down for a pad.
Chuck said
Swiss butts are ugly and I don’t like something that is really not comfortable to shoot.
Here’s a paradox. I don’t disagree with the above statement. However, I would be enthralled to own those two M1873’s that Bob has posted. In fact, there’s a lot of Swiss-butted rifles I would love to own. Why? It’s the collector in me vs. the shooter. The collector in me is captivated by the rarity of such rifles. Particularly so on repeating rifles vs. single-shots (given they are more, “common” on single-shots).
I have never owned a Winchester single-shot or repeating rifle with a Swiss butt. That doesn’t mean I don’t own Swiss butt rifles (both in lever action repeater form or single-shot)… just not Winchester brand 
Also doesn’t mean I haven’t fired one of my Swiss butted rifles. I have fired the single-shot many times. Shooting the Swiss butt is nothing to write home about. Fortunately it is just a .32-40 and I shoot low power loads in it.
Huck Riley said
That’s easy: Have 1873man take his crescent butt plate tools over to the Model 70 Bull thread and offer to fix randye’s stock. Apparently it was sanded down for a pad.
Personally, I would be thrilled to find an early Model 70 that had been special ordered with a crescent butt. The specialness and rarity would be overwhelming. And actually, if it were chambered in a .22 Hornet, I wouldn’t mind shooting it.
If I could travel back in time, Winchester would be receiving a lot of very interesting special order requests from me 😉
On occasion I still kick my self for not buying a 99+% 1890 in 22LR that had the Swiss buttplate…man was it ever a beauty. It was on GB a good many years back and sold for 3+k. That was a good deal for that era.
James
steve004 said
Personally, I would be thrilled to find an early Model 70 that had been special ordered with a crescent butt. The specialness and rarity would be overwhelming. And actually, if it were chambered in a .22 Hornet, I wouldn’t mind shooting it.
If I could travel back in time, Winchester would be receiving a lot of very interesting special order requests from me 😉
If you put it that way, I can see the attraction to rare combinations of features. However, in this instance, while most might say a crescent butt would ruin a perfectly good Model 70, I would say that the Model 70 ruined a perfectly good crescent butt plate. 
How about a Model 70 with a Swiss butt.That combination will turn heads and then some.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
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1873man said
How about a Model 70 with a Swiss butt.That combination will turn heads and then some.Bob
Oh, I thought about it 
Ok, I’m going to try to post a photo. The purpose is to show how on some 113 year old rifles, the buttstock goes in your hand and not to your shoulder. I sure hope the photo posting works as what I just stated probably won’t make sense otherwise.
On the topic of Swiss butts, here’s a pair of mine. Top one is a repeater, bottom a single-shot. Both Bullards of course. Both are .32-40’s but very different chamberings. The repeater is a .32-40 Bullard (a bottle-necked cartridge) and the single-shot is the standard .32-40. The repeater is one of two known Bullard small frame repeating rifles. It’s also one of the earliest known Bullard small frame repeaters.
OK, I am beginning to believe that some of you fellows have been self-quarantining for way too long now… your imaginations are showing a marked lack of lucidity !!
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert H. said
OK, I am beginning to believe that some of you fellows have been self-quarantining for way too long now… your imaginations are showing a marked lack of lucidity !!
Bert
Lol
steve004 said
Ok, I’m going to try to post a photo. The purpose is to show how on some 113 year old rifles, the buttstock goes in your hand and not to your shoulder. I sure hope the photo posting works as what I just stated probably won’t make sense otherwise.
I’ve never tried it much with any degree of success and have always been told it can be a very comfortable position. But it still seems like a big pain in the neck and back.
Sincerely,
Maverick
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Maverick said
Don’t wait till you’re 50 to start learning it.
Anyway, what has this to do with Swiss or any other kind of prong BP? None of the Creedmoor, or any long range, guns had anything but musket-style BPs.
clarence said
Maverick said
Don’t wait till you’re 50 to start learning it.
Anyway, what has this to do with Swiss or any other kind of prong BP? None of the Creedmoor, or any long range, guns had anything but musket-style BPs.
My point in posting was to illustrate an example of how not all buttplates should be evaluated on the degree of comfort level to the shoulder.
clarence said
Maverick said
Don’t wait till you’re 50 to start learning it.
Luckily I’m well over 50 so I don’t have to learn how to hurt myself in some other fashion. What, did they have a contest for the most uncomfortable shooting position?
steve004 said
My point in posting was to illustrate an example of how not all buttplates should be evaluated on the degree of comfort level to the shoulder.
These illustrations don’t show the most extreme back position, which was for guns with the “tang” sight mounted well back on the comb of the stock to increase sight radius a few inches more. When shooting at a 1000 yds, a microscopic sight adjustment might translate to a foot on the target.
Chuck said
What, did they have a contest for the most uncomfortable shooting position?
When in the Marine Corps, we had as standard the off-hand, kneeling, sitting and prone. I hated the kneeling; that is if I had to do it the way the DI made me do it. My body, even at 18, was not cut out for that crap. That did not stop him from forcing me into that position, just shy of breaking bones and ripping tendons. Now, if I were to assume a kneeling position of my choosing, I might actually hit something. 
clarence said
These illustrations don’t show the most extreme back position, which was for guns with the “tang” sight mounted well back on the comb of the stock to increase sight radius a few inches more. When shooting at a 1000 yds, a microscopic sight adjustment might translate to a foot on the target.
As you may have noticed, my Ross Target rifles have the “tang” mounted sight very very far back. It’s amusing as whenever I’ve handed one of these rifles to someone, they shoulder it and nearly have the sight hit them in the eye. Invariably I hear, “how in the world do you shoot this?!” Very few people are familiar with the, “back position” or, “toes forward” position. Less so with each passing year.
Huck Riley said
When in the Marine Corps, we had as standard the off-hand, kneeling, sitting and prone. I hated the kneeling; that is if I had to do it the way the DI made me do it. My body, even at 18, was not cut out for that crap. That did not stop him from forcing me into that position, just shy of breaking bones and ripping tendons. Now, if I were to assume a kneeling position of my choosing, I might actually hit something.
Your DI must have been coming from the, “no pain, no gain” perspective. Personally, I see that as poorly applicable to target shooting 
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