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As the headline says, I need some help. I have found / been offered an 1886 ELW in 45-90 in a semi deluxe configuration. Several problems, 

1, It is outside the letter able range. 

2, The gun has been rebarreled with a brand x barrel with a faster rate of twist. But it comes with the original barrel which is stamped 45-90 on both the top and under the forend. 

3, I don’t know how to post the pictures that are on my email to the forum. So I know that doesn’t help, so if anyone is interested in offering an opinion I think i can email to you directly. 

4, My biggest problem is that this gun seems to be a rarity and i don’t want to get dupped. I have searched for such a gun for awhile and  this one pops up. But would rather wait for one that is “right”.

5, I know I am asking alot but I figure that the advice I get here will either make me or break me. 

6, For those that reply, please be warned I may not be able to respond to quickly as I am do in for a couple long days here for work, I know, not your problem just saying. 

7, And no I can’t see the gun in person, It it couple thousand miles away.

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You can email them to me at the below address and I can post them.

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Just curious, why would You consider this gun a rarity

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Just curious, why would You consider this gun a rarity

  

The ELW was only offered in 45-70 in catalogs, so they are scares in any other caliber. I have seen them in 45-90, 40-82, 40-65, and I have one in 38-56

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OK Tom I was just curious, as I have this 20240405_154847.jpgImage Enlarger20240405_155021.jpgImage Enlarger ’86 e.l.w. that is also apparently quite rare, having a 24″ bbl.

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 Cool rifle.Thanks for posting.Smile

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cj57 said

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Just curious, why would You consider this gun a rarity

  

The ELW was only offered in 45-70 in catalogs, so they are scares in any other caliber. I have seen them in 45-90, 40-82, 40-65, and I have one in 38-56

  

Henry. To follow on to CJ, ELW have 22″ barrels, and I believe the butt stock also had a larger hole to remove more wood. The rarity of it, and use that term loosely, is in fact the caliber. Although I have actually seen more 45-90ELW than the others. Plus being with checkered pistol grip is even less common. Of course my holy grail would be an ELW in .33! 

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I got the photos but I’m on my way home from Tulsa and the photos are quite large and may take a long time to upload so here is one if I can I will post more other wise I would have to wait until I get home tonight and resize them.

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This will be all I will post while on the road. Google and iPads make it hard to get photos from one platform to the other.

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I’m pretty sure this is one I have followed recently on a gunbroker auction.  Maybe it’s been listed more than once – never meets reserve?  It is intriguing.  One point that doesn’t relate to the originality, but caught my attention – it seems the seller bragged about shooting stout loads in it.  I have the vague memory that there was some verbiage the effect that it could handle such loads, “all day.”  

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Maybe it’s been listed more than once – never meets reserve? steve004 said 

Common to see guns relisted over & over again for MONTHS, with no price drop, waiting for the right sucker to take the bait.  I remember seeing one 52 relisted for almost a yr. 

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oldcrankyyankee said

cj57 said

Henry Mero said

Just curious, why would You consider this gun a rarity

  

The ELW was only offered in 45-70 in catalogs, so they are scares in any other caliber. I have seen them in 45-90, 40-82, 40-65, and I have one in 38-56

  

Henry. To follow on to CJ, ELW have 22″ barrels, and I believe the butt stock also had a larger hole to remove more wood. The rarity of it, and use that term loosely, is in fact the caliber. Although I have actually seen more 45-90ELW than the others. Plus being with checkered pistol grip is even less common. Of course my holy grail would be an ELW in .33! 

  

You mean like this one…

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Bert H. said

oldcrankyyankee said

cj57 said

Henry Mero said

Just curious, why would You consider this gun a rarity

  

The ELW was only offered in 45-70 in catalogs, so they are scares in any other caliber. I have seen them in 45-90, 40-82, 40-65, and I have one in 38-56

  

Henry. To follow on to CJ, ELW have 22″ barrels, and I believe the butt stock also had a larger hole to remove more wood. The rarity of it, and use that term loosely, is in fact the caliber. Although I have actually seen more 45-90ELW than the others. Plus being with checkered pistol grip is even less common. Of course my holy grail would be an ELW in .33! 

  

You mean like this one…

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Why does the gun in the photo have a rear sight dovetail?

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sb said

Bert H. said

oldcrankyyankee said

cj57 said

Henry Mero said

Just curious, why would You consider this gun a rarity

  

The ELW was only offered in 45-70 in catalogs, so they are scares in any other caliber. I have seen them in 45-90, 40-82, 40-65, and I have one in 38-56

  

Henry. To follow on to CJ, ELW have 22″ barrels, and I believe the butt stock also had a larger hole to remove more wood. The rarity of it, and use that term loosely, is in fact the caliber. Although I have actually seen more 45-90ELW than the others. Plus being with checkered pistol grip is even less common. Of course my holy grail would be an ELW in .33! 

  

You mean like this one…

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Why does the gun in the photo have a rear sight dovetail?

  

Because it was standard to mill a rear sight dovetail. 

My good friend Dr. (Larry) Shennum owned that rifle for several years, and when I first read the CFM letter, I removed the Lyman No. 6 folding leaf sight and inspected the milled dovetail… it was blued and positively factory original.  I discussed it with Larry and explained to him that the Lyman No. 6 sight was most likely overlooked when it was entered into the ledger records.

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As to the gun in topic, it’s obvious the barrel on gun is reworked, it’s been reblued and the front sight base has silver solder showing and cal. stamps are wrong. I think it might have been a 33 that was cut to 22″ and a lower base soldered on after reboring to make a rare gun or just easy to make ammo. You can see the polishing around the new cal stamp. The extra barrel appears to have been reblued also, the roll stamp seems light and dragged a little. Unless it’s on the low price range, I think I’d pass. To many what ifs, the stock and frame look good, with honest wear, the front, the takedown lug looks polished along with the barrels. I think I saw a 45-90ELB on Ebay a while back, that was refinished.

 

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As to the gun in topic, it’s obvious the barrel on gun is reworked, it’s been reblued and the front sight base has silver solder showing and cal. stamps are wrong. I think it might have been a 33 that was cut to 22″ and a lower base soldered on after reboring to make a rare gun or just easy to make ammo. You can see the polishing around the new cal stamp. The extra barrel appears to have been reblued also, the roll stamp seems light and dragged a little. Unless it’s on the low price range, I think I’d pass. To many what ifs, the stock and frame look good, with honest wear, the front, the takedown lug looks polished along with the barrels. I think I saw a 45-90ELB on Ebay a while back, that was refinished.

 

Good Luck

  

CJ – Seems when I last saw this rifle listed, the bidding was up to nearly $6,000 – and still didn’t trip the reserve.  I don’t think you would pay that kind of money for it.

On the topic of M86 ELW’s, I seem to recall one that was originally chambered in .50 Express.

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