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From the recent post on a Model 94 25-35, I began considering my ostensibly similar wartime-vintage model in like chambering. Found this great, informative Thread Burt with your many contributions/observations. Thanks so much!
Though you might be interested in adding my 94 (if somewhere in past I didn’t already contribute it). SN 1344501. Now of course, through your auspices, I understand is actually postwar. So maybe that beyond your parameters.
I too, previously laboring under the misapprehension of unavailable serial number data through that WWII area. Now with your research results, happily noted good info in my files!
My referenced 94, with unmarked upper tang, but D&T for tang sight. Also, sadly D&T for receiver sight. Both looking amazingly original to my eyes. Alas, the latter! Otherwise appears original/pristine. The buttplate is checkered steel. Barrel of course “Proof Steel” and integral sight ramp. Generally the rifle is in remarkably nice condition and presents well, but for… those receiver sight holes! Rifle itself stowed, but many file photos handy.
Also, a well used Model 64, “W” beneath serial number 1209065 perhaps to add to your shortlist. Looks like it flunked the finish durability test! 🙂 Perhaps 80 years also an influence? 🙂
That’s it. Hope my info was some use.
John
John,
Model 94 serial number 1344501 was manufactured in the first month after post WW II production resumed. Per the serialization records at Cody, it was manufactured in mid October, 1945. Typically, the Model 94s manufactured in that timeframe have pre-war dated barrels on them, blank upper tangs, checkered hammer, and a serrated steel butt plate. I would like to see pictures of it, especially the tang sight hole and the receiver sight holes.
Which specific caliber and variation is your Model 64 rifle?
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Hi Bert! Again, big thanks for the info! Talk about instant response! Wow!
The Model 64 is standard in about all respects from observation/knowledge. 30 WCF chambering. Appears possibly wearing King full buckhorn barrel sight. Stocks with apparent old lacquer job. Ugly! The rifle, just an honest veteran showing its age. Pix if you desire.
Please confirm email & will get the 94 pix out to you tomorrow. Free to publish if any worthy. Have good photo coverage but unless you want, just a full gun pix & then focus on the areas mentioned including hammer & checkered (not serrated) steel buttplate. It has two tang sight holes, so from your comment perhaps that not original either! Yikes! Traces in bluing of a former tang sight mounted. Apparent from pix. If it turns out only a piece a mother could love, I’ll still appreciate it as a nice clean ‘period’ 94!
Tomorrow, Sir!
iskra said
Hi Bert! Again, big thanks for the info! Talk about instant response! Wow!
The Model 64 is standard in about all respects from observation/knowledge. 30 WCF chambering. Appears possibly wearing King full buckhorn barrel sight. Stocks with apparent old lacquer job. Ugly! The rifle, just an honest veteran showing its age. Pix if you desire.
Please confirm email & will get the 94 pix out to you tomorrow. Free to publish if any worthy. Have good photo coverage but unless you want, just a full gun pix & then focus on the areas mentioned including hammer & checkered (not serrated) steel buttplate. It has two tang sight holes, so from your comment perhaps that not original either! Yikes! Traces in bluing of a former tang sight mounted. Apparent from pix. If it turns out only a piece a mother could love, I’ll still appreciate it as a nice clean ‘period’ 94!
Tomorrow, Sir!
John,
My email is [email protected]
On your Model 64, is the muzzle face flat, or is it crowned? It was made during the transition period to crowned muzzles on the rifle barrels.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
my 94 carbine# 1268716, no W on bottom in very good used condition with non buggered screws and DT for a tang sight, sirated butt plate. at the time I bought it I was told it was a 1941 rifle ,can you confirm the date? thanks.
It is a 1941 production Carbine. Winchester stopped stamping the “W” on them in mid February 1941.
Please consider registering as a WACA forum user. Currently, I have to review and approve each one of your posts before it is posted. By registering, that will no longer be necessary.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert H. said
It is a 1941 production Carbine. Winchester stopped stamping the “W” on them in mid February 1941.
Please consider registering as a WACA forum user. Currently, I have to review and approve each one of your posts before it is posted. By registering, that will no longer be necessary.
Bert
Hi Bert;
It looks like Winchester stopped stamping the “W” a month earlier then mid Feb. My Model 94 Carbine – 30 WCF – S/N 1262959 (1/17/41) does not have a “W” below the S/N. Barrel date “40”. RR
Win61 said
Hi Bert;
It looks like Winchester stopped stamping the “W” a month earlier then mid Feb. My Model 94 Carbine – 30 WCF – S/N 1262959 (1/17/41) does not have a “W” below the S/N. Barrel date “40”. RR
Actually, No, Winchester did stop stamping them in mid February. I have serial number 1267272 (PR date 2/17/1941) as the highest serial number in my research survey with a verified “W” stamp. Further, I have (17) verified Model 94 serial numbers that are later than your Model 94 with the “W” stamp on them.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert H. said
Actually, No, Winchester did stop stamping them in mid February. I have serial number 1267272 (PR date 2/17/1941) as the highest serial number in my research survey with a verified “W” stamp. Further, I have (17) verified Model 94 serial numbers that are later than your Model 94 with the “W” stamp on them.
Bert
Good afternoon Bert;
Another question that you have probably answered many times but I was unable to locate anything on it – so here goes. During the time period of the “W” stamping, was the “W” stamping done on a regular basis or was it done intermittently? If done on a regular basis – do you have a count in your survey of 94 carbines without the “W” stamping?
Excuse the questions but this is the way we learn — ask the expert. Thinks again. RR
The “W” stamping was very consistently applied to nearly all receiver frames from late February 1939 through mid February 1941. My estimate is that 95% of all the Model 94 Carbines and Model 64 Rifles manufactured in that time period were stamped. Currently, I have verified (484) Model 94 Carbines, and (80) Model 64 Rifles with the “W” stamp on the bottom of the receiver. Additionally, I have (4) parts clean-up Model 55 Rifles in the survey with the “W” stamp.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert H. said
The “W” stamping was very consistently applied to nearly all receiver frames from late February 1939 through mid February 1941. My estimate is that 95% of all the Model 94 Carbines and Model 64 Rifles manufactured in that time period were stamped. Currently, I have verified (484) Model 94 Carbines, and (80) Model 64 Rifles with the “W” stamp on the bottom of the receiver. Additionally, I have (4) parts clean-up Model 55 Rifles in the survey with the “W” stamp.Bert
Hello Bert;
Thank You for your willingness to share your vast knowledge and your effort in recording all of this information. RR
i found this thread very helpful. Thanks for keeping good records and for the effort. I don’t know if I’m adding any valuable information, but the least I can do is add mine to the list.
Serial # 1,452,391. Checkered steel buttplate. Crowned muzzle. Smooth upper tang. 32 WS. Flat band. From the reading I gather it was made shortly after WW2. I inherited it from my step father and will treasure it always.
Stanton said
i found this thread very helpful. Thanks for keeping good records and for the effort. I don’t know if I’m adding any valuable information, but the least I can do is add mine to the list.Serial # 1,452,391. Checkered steel buttplate. Crowned muzzle. Smooth upper tang. 32 WS. Flat band. From the reading I gather it was made shortly after WW2. I inherited it from my step father and will treasure it always.
Your Model 94 Flat-band Carbine was manufactured in the year 1947.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
good morning or evening depending on your timezone,
new member on this forum and the association, I want first of all thank all of you for the wealth of knowledge shared here (and I have only scratched the surface…)
Here are the details for my “wartime” 94:
SN 1229134 carbine, 30-30, W stamped on the receiver, serrated steel buttplate, front sight on a ramp.
Any other details you need for adding it to the survey?
freebird1968 said
good morning or evening depending on your timezone,new member on this forum and the association, I want first of all thank all of you for the wealth of knowledge shared here (and I have only scratched the surface…)
Here are the details for my “wartime” 94:
SN 1229134 carbine, 30-30, W stamped on the receiver, serrated steel buttplate, front sight on a ramp.
Any other details you need for adding it to the survey?
Welcome to the WACA!
Your Model 94 Carbine was manufactured in May, 1940. I would like to know which style the upper tang marking is (Type 6 or Type 7)… see the attached pictures below.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
hello and thank you for both the welcome and the date info.
the upper tang marking is a type 6
Picked up a Flat Band today. #1434066. Serrated butt plate. Still has the sight hood. The wood has been checkered and varnish added. Great bore, and .30 WCF. I am supposedly the 3rd owner.
Shoot low boys. They're riding Shetland Ponies.
S/N 1434066 is a “post-WW II” production Carbine, manufactured in the Spring of 1947. It should have a Type 2 receiver, a serrated hammer, and checkered steel butt plate (not serrated).
Serrated butt plate
Checkered butt plate
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