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I am looking at a 1926 model 1894. The wood is checkered. Did Winchester ever offer checkering on a 1894?

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pine_worker said
 Did Winchester ever offer checkering on a 1894?

  

It was available as an option; even fancy wood could be ordered.  But you’d have to be a very good judge of factory checkering to be sure it’s original.  If it’s well done, I think it adds to value, whether original or not.

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I am looking at a 1926 model 1894. The wood is checkered. Did Winchester ever offer checkering on a 1894?

Yes they did, with the H-pattern and I-pattern being the most common.

Factory original checkering enhances the value, whereas aftermarket work (regardless of its quality) does not.

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Bert H. said

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I am looking at a 1926 model 1894. The wood is checkered. Did Winchester ever offer checkering on a 1894?

Yes they did, with the H-pattern and I-pattern being the most common.

Factory original checkering enhances the value, whereas aftermarket work (regardless of its quality) does not.

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Bert, Is there an example of each type?

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pine_worker said

Bert H. said

pine_worker said

I am looking at a 1926 model 1894. The wood is checkered. Did Winchester ever offer checkering on a 1894?

Yes they did, with the H-pattern and I-pattern being the most common.

Factory original checkering enhances the value, whereas aftermarket work (regardless of its quality) does not.

Bert

  

Bert, Is there an example of each type?

  

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Bert H. said

Factory original checkering enhances the value, whereas aftermarket work (regardless of its quality) does not. 

So if you happened to be looking for a late ’94, & found two (un-letterable) ’94s side by side in a gunstore rack at the same reasonable price, one with factory-quality checkering, one without, you’d choose the plain one?  Wait–that’s too easy, so let’s say the checkered gun was $50 higher, as I’m sure it would be, all else being equal.  You wouldn’t pay $50 more for factory-quality checkering, even if it couldn’t be authenticated?

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clarence said

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Factory original checkering enhances the value, whereas aftermarket work (regardless of its quality) does not. 

So if you happened to be looking for a late ’94, & found two (un-letterable) ’94s side by side in a gunstore rack at the same reasonable price, one with factory-quality checkering, one without, you’d choose the plain one?  Wait–that’s too easy, so let’s say the checkered gun was $50 higher, as I’m sure it would be, all else being equal.  You wouldn’t pay $50 more for factory-quality checkering, even if it couldn’t be authenticated? 

Correct… I would buy the plain (unaltered) gun even if it was priced $50 more than the non-factory checkered gun.  I am far from being the only collector who would make the same choice.

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Bert H. said

clarence said

Bert H. said

Factory original checkering enhances the value, whereas aftermarket work (regardless of its quality) does not. 

So if you happened to be looking for a late ’94, & found two (un-letterable) ’94s side by side in a gunstore rack at the same reasonable price, one with factory-quality checkering, one without, you’d choose the plain one?  Wait–that’s too easy, so let’s say the checkered gun was $50 higher, as I’m sure it would be, all else being equal.  You wouldn’t pay $50 more for factory-quality checkering, even if it couldn’t be authenticated? 

Correct… I would buy the plain (unaltered) gun even if it was priced $50 more than the non-factory checkered gun.  I am far from being the only collector who would make the same choice.

  

I think I have even stronger feelings about it.  I would dramatically prefer the plain gun over a non-factory checkered gun.  This would be particularly so if the checkering could be determined to be non-factory.  However, let’s say it couldn’t be determined to be non-factory checkered.  That is, knowledgeable collectors couldn’t call it either way.  I would still be wary as it would always be a matter of opinion.  

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I would attempt to determine if the checkering was consistent with factory work.

 

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steve004 said

 I would dramatically prefer the plain gun over a non-factory checkered gun.

I don’t get the logic of this, if the work is as good or better than factory.  Doesn’t good checkering made a gun better?  So you’d downgrade, for ex., in a Model 52 rebarreled by Pope or Hubalek or Niedner?  Or some other Winchester engraved by Kornbrath? 

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 I would dramatically prefer the plain gun over a non-factory checkered gun.

I don’t get the logic of this, if the work is as good or better than factory.  Doesn’t good checkering made a gun better?  So you’d downgrade, for ex., in a Model 52 rebarreled by Pope or Hubalek or Niedner?  Or some other Winchester engraved by Kornbrath? 

  

There are exceptions – such as the historically famous craftsman you mention – but a Winchester M1894 with anonymous aftermarket checkering leaves me flat.  

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steve004 said There are exceptions – such as the historically famous craftsman you mention – but a Winchester M1894 with anonymous aftermarket checkering leaves me flat.  

You’re right–the work of those famous names wasn’t a good comparison.  However, quality workmanship speaks for itself…IF you have the experience to recognize it.  “Originality,” like any other positive value–loyalty, patience, peacefulness, humility, etc.–can be pushed to an irrational extreme.

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I’d buy the one with the better bore. LOL!

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  If a Winchester was checkered by someone outside the factory, it is not factory original. Now you have a custom gun, different set of values, different group of collectors considering purchase. If it is done good enough that you can not tell, perhaps someone else can tell. Perhaps it went through an auction or was advertised  in the previous configuration.

  If the gun has been restored or no longer is in collectible condition then it makes little difference to the value.

  I think Bert is right. T/R

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clarence said

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 I would dramatically prefer the plain gun over a non-factory checkered gun.

I don’t get the logic of this, if the work is as good or better than factory.  Doesn’t good checkering made a gun better?  So you’d downgrade, for ex., in a Model 52 rebarreled by Pope or Hubalek or Niedner?  Or some other Winchester engraved by Kornbrath? 

  

From a collector standpoint ANY non factory modification no matter how high quality detracts from the value. We’re not talking about hunting rifles in this case which can appreciate in value considerably with custom additions. And even then I have seen guys spend crazy amounts of cash customizing a hunting rifle only to be disappointed when they decide to sell same and realize they can never recoup their money.

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Well, I passed on this one, the checkering did not look quiet right.

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pine_worker said
Well, I passed on this one, the checkering did not look quiet right.

  

Too bad, was hoping it was factory. I generally stumble onto something nice right after I pass on one so keep your eyes open!

 

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Well, I’m looking at it again. Here is a picture of the checkering. Original or not? Opinions?07BF3D63-5174-435D-A02E-719D6A8A80A1.jpegImage Enlarger

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Nope.

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pine_worker said
Well, I’m looking at it again. Here is a picture of the checkering. Original or not? Opinions?07BF3D63-5174-435D-A02E-719D6A8A80A1.jpegImage Enlarger

  

I agree with Gary, and No opinion on this… that is positively not factory original checkering Frown

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