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I have a friend that wants to sell an older model 64 lever action rifle. It has been used and shows wear, but it’s honest and would be ok except that is has had a rubber butt pad installed at one time. I was thinking I could buy it, take the rubber pad off and replace it with a correct butt plate as long as the stock was not shortened. I don’t own a 64, so can’t compare and know if the stock has been shortened. Can someone who has an original 64 measure from the middle of the rear of the butt stock wood (do not include plate or pad) to the back end of the loading gate so I will know if the wood has been shortened. Appreciate the help. Peter
Peter,
I don’t have a model 64 to measure, but I believe all original butt-plates on model 64’s were the “widow’s peak” style. Does the butt-stock still have the inletted cut on the top for the widow’s peak? If not, it’s likely been shortened. There’s a photo in the attached article.
https://gunsmagazine.com/winchesters-model-64/
Don
Peter,
Look at the top of the heel… if it has not been cut, you will see the triangular shaped inlet for the widows peak on the butt plate. If the stock has been shortened, a factory butt plate will not fit up to the stock.
What is the serial number and caliber ? Is it a standard, or a Deer Rifle ? Barrel length ?
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert, I looked at the rifle again and this is the info :
serial # 1930797
24″ barrel
Caliber 30-30
Plain wood, no checkering
When taking a close look at the butt stock, I see the notch that has been filled with a colored filler, so I am guessing the stock has not been shortened. The rifle is in about 90% condition with a good bore. What might it be worth?
He also has a pretty nice Winchester 190, .22 L or LR auto, serial # B1806476, that is in 85-90% condition with a weaver 4 power scope. What is it worth if you know. Thanks, Peter
January 26, 2011
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Peter
I have a couple nice M64’s, one of them being about what you are describing, but possibly in the 95% category. I paid about $1600 for it a few years ago and would think its a $1700 gun to the right person. I would put the specimen you are describing down in the 1400-1500 range since you will have to find the right butt plate and do a little stock work to fit it. Bert may have another opinion, but just wanted to share what I had for comparison.
~Gary~
Peter,
With a missing butt plate, and the work needed to clean it up to install a correct butt plate, you should not pay more than $700 for it.
I have no idea about the value of a Model 190. Keep in mind that it was manufactured after 1963, and there is essentially no collector market for them.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert, I forgot to ask when the model 64 was made and did you already have the serial #? Thanks, Peter
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Bert, I forgot to ask when the model 64 was made and did you already have the serial #? Thanks, Peter
Peter,
It was manufactured about 1953, and No, I did not have that serial number in my survey yet.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Thanks for that Bert. I am probably going to own it along with the model 190. Peter
I have two Model 64 rifles.One a standard version in .32 Special and a deluxe in .30-30.Great rifles in my opinion.Really enjoy shooting them.:)
Have a Model 190 at present and had another in the past.Although these rifles have little to no collector interest at present and although they were an inexpensive made rifle when new,I have never had a failure to fire or jam in either rifle.Something I cannot say for some other .22 rifles of higher value, I have owned.They are a great plinking and hunting rifle in my opinion.
I got that 64 I mentioned. As luck would have it, the stock was not shortened and the filler that was put in the notch at the top of the stock popped right out. I bought a metal repro model 64 butt plate from Numrich. It has the nook at the top but also has a good sized bump on the backside about 1″ long and 3/8″ wide about 1/3rd of the way down from the top. I see no indication that the original butt plate had such a bump. I imagine that this butt plate was made for several different models and maybe one of them called fore this butt plate with the bump. I am assuming that I would need to grind that bump smooth with the metal on the back of the plate?? It’s either that or cut a hole into the stock for the bump to go into. That does not seem right though. Help is appreciated. Thanks, Peter
Can you post a picture of what you are referring to? There were four different models that used the same butt plate all at the same time… the 64, 65, 70, and 71.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert, Here are some pictures of the new butt plate and the rear of the butt stock. The bottom hole on the butt stock lines up with the bottom hole on the plate and the top hole lines up with the plugged hole you see at the top of the butt stock. When installed, the wood to metal fit will be excellent around the butt plate. That hump thing at the rear of the plate is the problem. Let me know what you think if you would. You can see the inked outline of the hump on the back of the butt stock that I did in case I have to carve that out. Also, I am going to need a front ramp sight cover. Is there anything special about that before I buy one?? Thanks Bert, Peter
Peter,
I have not ever seen an original butt plate with that raised oval shaped section before. If I absolutely needed to install it on a Model 64, I would grind it down or off. Do the screw holes on the BP line up properly with the holes in the stock?
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Thanks Bert…I’ll grind if off carefully. The bottom screw holes line up and the top hole in the plate lines up perfectly with the top plugged hole in the stock, so things are lookin good. Thanks for help. Peter
See close up picture of the end of the butt stock above
Peter,
It appears the you will need to redrill the top hole… be advised, the top screw enters the stock at an angle vice going straight in.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
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