
July 7, 2011

GPD328
Go back and look at this post. I would like to narrow down that very same question.
http://www.winchestercollector.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5997
This is my ELW from 10-26-1907 ( bottom rifle )
http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/oldguy67/media/373316/19_zpse3fec927.jpg.html
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Paul

March 9, 2013

Thanks 94shortie.
The reason I asked is I have a LTW button mag rifle 30 W.C.F., Ser#61,xxx, only number stamped underneath the barrel is a, 5. My Rifle has a ramped front sight and the muzzle measures +/-0.544". All the barrel markings match for the serial number range. In the other post they talked about the front sight ramps not coming until later in production. I was curious as to what others might know about this.

July 7, 2011

GPD328
With a s/n of 61XXX, that would be an 1899 DOM rifle. That would be a real early gun for a ramp front sight but, that is what keeps us looking for answers. Have you done a s/n search on this rifle? If so, what info did you get from Cody? Some photos would be nice also.
Paul

March 9, 2013

Paul,
I did not send for a Cody Facts Sheet on this particular rifle. The serial# 61212. I am not a member of the Cody Museum and any information that could be found would be appreciated. I will attempt to post some pics but I am not the best at posting them and will get some help soon.
Thanks, Nick

July 7, 2011

Here are some photos of an ELW rifle from 1899 with a ramp front sight for GPD328.
http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/oldguy67/media/1894%20others/61212%20ramp%20sight/f82dd3a3-6be6-47f8-9e63-a4636fb798eb_zps763ee9d3.jpg.html
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http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/oldguy67/media/1894%20others/61212%20ramp%20sight/2176244c-7915-4053-80fd-1f31bfb86bda_zps434e9316.jpg.html
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http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/oldguy67/media/1894%20others/61212%20ramp%20sight/4a027f32-c31e-4881-903a-58570c172553_zps39453e2a.jpg.html
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http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/oldguy67/media/1894%20others/61212%20ramp%20sight/4_zps107d366e.jpg.html
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It looks like the change from dovetail front sights to ramp front sights was another case where there was an overlap on the ELW rifles. 😕
Paul

July 8, 2012

Since this post is about model 1894 light weight barrels, take a look at this one at Cabelas. It doesn’t have the ramp style front sight. Sure looks like a nice rifle. Does the 26" tapered octogon barrel make it any more rare than a round barrel?

July 7, 2011

Some members on the forum have rapid taper octagon barreled rifles and they have posted photos of them in the past. Leroy Merz had some of both round and octagon but I am just guessing that the octagon barrels are not as common as the round ones.
fyi
The s/n was applied to the above rifle on 10-25-1897

July 8, 2012

Thanks 94Shorties. John, i agree about the scratch and steel wool marks, $15k is a lot of money to pay especially if it has those marks. Believe me, I’m relatively new to this and $15k is not something I’d pay without a lot of thought and input from you experts.
Thanks,
Al

April 15, 2005

Just an observation… thus far, all of the octagon barreled Model 1894 ELW rifles I have seen have a dovetail for the front sight, and conversely, the vast majority of the round barrels or 1/2 octagon barrels have a ramp. Do any of you own or can confirm an octagon barrel with a ramp?
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L

July 7, 2011

Here are 2 round barreled ELW rifles from a previous post that have the dovetail front sight, plus an octagon ELW with the dovetail. Since I usually just look for short rifles, I have not paid that much attension to the ELW’s but, maybe now I will.
http://www.winchestercollector.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5997
Paul

February 27, 2005

Bert,
That’s the pattern I have noticed. While there likely are exceptions, it appears the octagon barrels were mostly dovetailed and the round barrels mostly had ramps.
In addition to the 26 inch full octagon extra light I posted a picture of in the other thread, I have another extra light, 20 inch, full octagon barreled short rifle with a dovetail that I will try to get pictures up soon.
Rapid taper, standard taper, extra heavy. All 45 caliber.

February 27, 2005

Here is the extra light, 20" full octagon short rifle. Notice front sight dovetail in barrel.
While too late to letter, the rifle has matching assembly numbers on the lower tang and upper tang inlet.
In addition, on the receiver end of the 8 3/8" forend, the wood is stamped: EX. LT. SPECIAL.
http://s26.photobucket.com/user/3855/media/IMG_1626_zps3a773558.jpg.html
http://s26.photobucket.com/user/3855/media/e299fd7d-795d-4298-9995-6c1988e41013_zps8d826f37.jpg.html
Rapid taper, standard taper, extra heavy. All 45 caliber.

November 17, 2011

When we see a rifle that is like the octagon 20" Extra Lightweight pictured above, how do we know it was not a 22" that was shortened, factory new or rework or otherwise? Seems to me with the regard to the barrel length it is just the factory level of workmanship on the sight and muzzle that is the proof?

May 23, 2009

Mike is absolutely correct.
Unless someone happens to stumble across the million missing factory ledger entries. And I doubt that is going to happen.
Sincerely,
Maverick
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