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Just another one to add to this post. An early round barrel ELW with the ramp front sight.
http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/oldguy67/media/1894%20others/61212%20ramp%20sight/50_zps28b06e58.jpg.html
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Messed up on the date in the photo. It should be 12-13-1898.
Paul
January 26, 2011
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Interesting short rifle, too bad it has been drilled for the receiver sight, that’s a bummer. Its also a great example of the SNA date barely saving this from a modern firearm status.
~Gary~
Concerning the Antique status on the Model 1894 I think it is safe to
consider a serial number under 147685 an antique firearm
quantrez said
Concerning the Antique status on the Model 1894 I think it is safe to consider a serial number under 147685 an antique firearm
Not by a long shot! 😯 The antique cut-off for the Model 1894 would be roughly 50000, maybe not even that high, at least if one goes by the Cody records.
quantrez said
Concerning the Antique status on the Model 1894 I think it is safe to consider a serial number under 147685 an antique firearm
Absolutely not safe to make that assumption! Serial number 53941 is the final "antique" Model 1894.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
I agree with the records at Cody no problem there. Any Model 1894
with a serial number after 53941 would be post 1898.
But when it comes to being classified as an Antique I don’t think anyone
pays any attention to the Cody records and simply goes by what has been
in play for the last several years. In short the Model 1894’s with a serial
number of 147684 and down are still being termed Antiques all over the
country, and IMHO I don’t see this to ever change it has simply been this
way to long to change now. Just Saying
quantrez said
Concerning the Antique status on the Model 1894 I think it is safe to
consider a serial number under 147685 an antique firearm
You pulled this s/n directly out of the Madis DOM book. The thing you would have in your favor is that most dealers are using that number to justify shipping a firearm to someone without needing an FFL or C&R license. As long as you realize that it is not an antique that you are buying then go for it. When you go to sell it to someone else in the future, more and more collectors will be using the correct s/n for antiques and know that that range s/n is not one.
fyi__147685 has a DOM of late May, 1902
Paul
pdog72 said
Interesting short rifle, too bad it has been drilled for the receiver sight, that’s a bummer. Its also a great example of the SNA date barely saving this from a modern firearm status.
Gary
You are right about the receiver sight. I would still consider buying it but not for his starting price with the drilled receiver. It would be another 22" rifle with special features that are different from any I have.
Paul
I agree that when it comes to a DOM that the Cody records hold the
correct DOM and I am sure as time goes on more and more new collectors
will seek out the correct information. All that I am saying is that as far as
the Antique status of the Model 1894 it will more than likely stay the same
being a cutoff serial number of 147684 I don’t think this will ever change
it has simply been that way to long. I guess maybe one could say that that
they were Grandfathered in? One of the reasons that I base my opinion
on this matter is over the past several years I have dealt with Leroy Merz
and have a lot of respect for him and his knowledge .
Merz Antique Firearms ~ Catalog of Old Guns and Related Items
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W679A WINCHESTER MODEL 94 TAKE DOWN RIFLE
Item # W679A
Cal 30-30. Orig 26" full round bbl and full length mag tube. Orig sights include blade front sight with 3-leaf platinum lined rear sight with a chip off the corner of one of the blades. VG shootable bore would benefit from a good cleaning. Wood retains a considerable amount of orig varnish with maybe a little extra finish added. Not sanded or undersized. Rifle style buttplate in fine cond. Bbl and mag retain about 50-60% orig blue starting to plum somewhat. Receiver is in nice cond with sharp corners and about 30-40% orig blue turning dark. Complete with early 63k antique serial range.
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Inquire About This Item
Antique $ 1,775.
Let us not forget tat LeRoy is in the business to sell guns. "Antique" guns command a premium because they can be traded outside the constraints of BATF rules………..
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Your right Rick, Leroy is in the business to make money but an added
premium would be nice for anyone who happens to have a Model 1894 in the serial number range in question?
I also agree that an Antique will bring an added premium in any make
fire-arm seems like about fifty dollars or so will catch it. Even though that
is a hard figure to estimate because I think most will agree the earlier the
serial number( Antique or Not] the gun in question will usually bring more
money. Either way one thing for sure is Leroy is in the business and in a
big way. And by being so you can bet that he gets a reasonable number
of friendly visits from the BATF and it would seem that they find ever-
thing in order in the way he conducts his transfers? I am not saying either
way which is right or wrong just saying the way it is. On the down side
I have seen guys with a Model 1894 in 32 Winchester Special who were
quite sure it was made pre 1899.
I have seen quite a few pre 1899 model 94’s that have had the barrel replaced for some reason or another with a 32 WS barrel. Since the receiver has an antique s/n, it is my guess that that would pass as an antique. There is this exact thing on GB right now with a very early receiver and a barrel that is from the 1920’s so things like this are out there.
Paul
An example from GB.__Not the one I refered to but similar. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=371536689
They are sure enough out there and that is a good example. I think
it would be interesting as to what the records at Cody show for this one.?
This is the one I was referring to in my previous post. I just had to find it again. A 1901 receiver with a late 1920’s barrel. ( 1898 via Madis )
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=372147823
Paul
Paul,
That is actually a 1930s barrel. Winchester made the change from Nickel Steel to Proof Steel in the year 1932.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Thanks Bert
I new it was somewhere around that time frame. Also during this time frame, they changed from "30 W.C.F. to 30-30 WIN." Do you have a s/n range or year that the caliber designation was changed?
Paul
Paul,
The change from "30 W.C.F." to "30-30 WIN." took place in 1950, in the 1674283 – 1676451 serial number range. There are a few examples outside of that range, but very few. Winchester changed the 32 W.S. marking to 32 WIN. SPL., and the 25-35 W.C.F. to 25-35 WIN. at the same time, but due to the lower production rate for those calibers, the serial number range is a bit longer.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Thanks again Bert.
Much later than I thought about the caliber change.
Paul
Bert: While we are throwing out dates and s/n’s, from what you have seen have you narrowed down a date (s/n range) when Winchester dropped the 19 from their various models? For example, the 1894 became the Model 94, etc.
Matt
January 26, 2011
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Matt,
It must be sometime in 1919, but may vary with models. I have three rifles that fall into that time period and still wear the full 19__ model designation.
Mod 1906 Slide Third Model Expert Grade 22 S,L,LR 535583 1918
Mod 1890 Slide Third Model 22 LR 633077 PR 6-30-1919
Mod 1903 Semi-Auto 22 Win Auto 106164 1919
I’m sure Bert will narrow it down to the week, day, or maybe even if it happened before or after the afternoon smoke break. 
~Gary~
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