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Miroku
July 15, 2017
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For those of you who are young enough, now might be the time to gain some future collectibles. If I were in my 20s or 30s I'd look ahead to what might be collectible in 40-50 years -- maybe sooner. Right now on GB there are Miroku carbines number 1 & 2 in caliber 25-35 for sale at "normal" prices - what may they be worth someday? 25-35 is a new caliber for 2017 and who knows how long it will be produced -- Mirokus at all for that matter. Just sayin'

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July 16, 2017
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Hard for me to imagine that anything Miroku will ever be a real collectible.  There's no history there.

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July 16, 2017
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 I am thinking that as the price of the older Winchesters continue to rise,there is a good chance that the Miroku Winchesters will become more collectable.There are some who will not be able to afford the older Winchesters, as the cost is getting to high for them.So to be able to have  Winchesters at a lower cost ,the Miroku Winchesters could well become a cheaper way to collect Winchesters.

 

 One can now see the price of the post 64 Model 94 prices going up very fast.I am thinking  this is because the pre 64 Winchester Model 94 rifles  are getting to high of a price to pay for many.Most of us older fellows never thought we would see the day when these post Model 94 rifles would have any collector value.In the day, we regarded these Winchesters as little more than junk ,compared to the pre 64 Model 94 rifles.

 

 Just my thoughts and opinion on the subject.Smile

July 16, 2017
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Agree!

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July 16, 2017
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28 gauge said 
 
  
 
 Most of us older fellows never thought we would see the day when these post Model 94 rifles would have any collector value.In the day, we regarded these Winchesters as little more than junk ,compared to the pre 64 Model 94 rifles.
 
  
 
   

My opinion hasn't changed. 

What offends me is the practice of trading on the history & reputation of a famous company name by unrelated companies that have merely purchased legal rights to use of the name & TM as you'd buy an item of merchandise.  The famous old name of Bell & Howell is now being used in TV ads to peddle the cheapest kind of throw-away junk, and what's been done to the legendary name of Abercrombie & Fitch is a disgusting disgrace.  Miroku products are good quality, and may become collectible as the quality of everything else declines, but if so, it ought to be on their own merits, and not as substitute "Winchesters."

July 16, 2017
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Winchester will always be "The Gun That Won The West".  Miroku will always be the "gun that paid Olin to use the famous brand".

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July 16, 2017
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There are already many collectible" post-63s out there for the picking. NOT commemoratives but standard production guns of which very few were made and are rarely seen anymore. Time will pass and attitudes will change -- if not, true historical collectibles will only be available to the very wealthy and the "lower caste" items still available now will be lost forever.

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July 16, 2017
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One Miroku product already is a highly sought after collectible:  that special 52 B Sporter they manufactured for Zander's. And once the big oversupply of their regular 52 B model dries up, the same thing may become true for them too.

July 16, 2017
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Clarence,

My point exactly.

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July 19, 2017
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It maybe my own ignorance or lack of availability, but the pre and post 64 88's are of ALMOST equal value. Very hard to find in really nice condition, and regardless of year of Mfg. they bring good money for a post 64 Winny

July 19, 2017
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The Browning Model 1886 Saddle Ring Carbine made in limited quantities around 1992 by Miroku, seem to have maintained their value already. I bought one new and due to the fit and finish, have no plans to ever sell it. The early Browning/Miroku offerings in the 1980's and early 90's may have some collectors value already.

July 19, 2017
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I have a few Miroku's including a Browning set of 1886's (rifle & carbine) and they are top notch in quality. I have a Miroku 1892 in 44 mag that's is one of the nicest rifles I own.

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The Browning Model 1886 Saddle Ring Carbine made in limited quantities around 1992 by Miroku, seem to have maintained their value already. I bought one new and due to the fit and finish, have no plans to ever sell it. The early Browning/Miroku offerings in the 1980's and early 90's may have some collectors value already.  

I was thinking the Browning 1886 were one year only, 1986 100 year commemoratives? I'm wrong 98% of the time.

July 20, 2017
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I have a few Miroku (Browning Citori) shotguns but I doubt I'll ever consider the results of their efforts to copy classic Winchesters as classics or collectable. I consider the replicas "manufactured collectables" and have no interest in them other than as shooters or eye candy. OTOH I think some will most certainly have collector value someday but I'm not sure I'll live long enough to see it. Trick will be to figure out which ones the collectors will be wanting at that time, good luck with that! Good news is that Miroku makes a good firearm, fit and finish is generally quite good. It will always be a good shooter if for some reason the "collectable" bet doesn't pay off.

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Seems to me that the Winchester 9422 and 9417 continue to climb in value, and could some day be as collectible as the older Winchester 22's.

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August 27, 2017
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I have bought 1 Miroku it was the newest John Wayne. I like the wood, the finish is also good. When the price is right I would buy others. They should be good shooters. As Far as collecting goes I only own 1 pre-war Winchester. My main collecting efforts have been around 9422M, 9410 and 9417 and trappers. 

What has already been said, has been my experience but truth is what ever they are worth is much more than bragging rights. I try not to brag much, but really I'd never sell them anyway. I had too much fun finding them and collecting them in the first place.Laugh

June 14, 2019
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I am looking for a new Miroku-Winchester. I don’t really want someone else's old beat up Winchester. 

June 14, 2019
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This is not the best place to look... with rare exception, we deal with Pre-1964 Winchesters manufactured in New Haven, CT.

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I'm in the "old" camp.  If it's not pre 64 then I'll go with a Uberti for something that looks good, excellent wood-to-metal fit, shoots great, and reasonably priced.  You just have to look around.

The fact someone stamps "Winchester" on the gun doesn't help if it's not made . . . . well, let me give you and example:

Colt is still around.  I thought I'd jump in before they pulled a Winchester, so I bought a legacy gun for myself, son, etc. on down the line.  It was crap and I sent it back four (?) times.  Each time they fixed the complaint and sent it back with another problem.  I finally got it with the recoil shield/loading gate all shy of the cylinder on the right side.  I would cuss at this point, but I don't think Bert likes that.  Anyway, I gave up and chocked it up to a lesson learned: Work ethic ain't what it used to be.  The crap I got would have resulted in someone getting fired back in the day (and probably a beating out back with no paycheck on the way out the door). 

A name doesn't mean much if it's not attached to that which made it famous in the first place.

Harley Davidson had a problem too.

So, if a Miroku is "all that and bag of chips" then go for it.  But I wouldn't do because it's got "Winchester" stamped on it.  Someone's old beat up Winchester might very well be a better gun.

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June 14, 2019
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I'm in the "old" camp.  If it's not pre 64 then I'll go with a Uberti for something that looks good, excellent wood-to-metal fit, shoots great, and reasonably priced.  You just have to look around.

The fact someone stamps "Winchester" on the gun doesn't help if it's not made . . . . well, let me give you and example:

Colt is still around.  I thought I'd jump in before they pulled a Winchester, so I bought a legacy gun for myself, son, etc. on down the line.  It was crap and I sent it back four (?) times.  Each time they fixed the complaint and sent it back with another problem.  I finally got it with the recoil shield/loading gate all shy of the cylinder on the right side.  I would cuss at this point, but I don't think Bert likes that.  Anyway, I gave up and chocked it up to a lesson learned: Work ethic ain't what it used to be.  The crap I got would have resulted in someone getting fired back in the day (and probably a beating out back with no paycheck on the way out the door). 

A name doesn't mean much if it's not attached to that which made it famous in the first place.

Harley Davidson had a problem too.

So, if a Miroku is "all that and bag of chips" then go for it.  But I wouldn't do because it's got "Winchester" stamped on it.  Someone's old beat up Winchester might very well be a better gun.

End rant.    

Amen to that!  Couln't have said it better.

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June 15, 2019
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Miroku makes some respectable firearms, but they ain’t no Winchester. Plus that damn safety. 

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