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October 7, 2015
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Any idea as to what country this soldier represents?  France?

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October 7, 2015
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Googled these images identified as a Russian uniforms.  Looks like the same guy on the upper left in a similar uniform from 1916.  Can't speak for the accuracy of the information. 

Your uniform also looks similar to those on the bottom row, middle picture, at least on my screen.

http://pixgood.com/ww1-russian-uniforms.html

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October 7, 2015
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Rob,

My military source says the uniform is a Russian " satillite " country, ( Poland, Chek, Slovak ) in the 1914 - 1918 period. Ammo pouches are Russian Mosine, and rifle probably a  '95 Russian contract 7.62 with bayonet stud. " Bread bag fits that period too. Boots are non-discrip. The soldier has got to be at the bottom of the ranking system.

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October 7, 2015
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Thank you Gentlemen.

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Looks like a modern reenactor's clothing, so who's to say what country or rank he's supposed to be from. Could be something he threw together.

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@Maverick,

I can see how one might think that but IMHO I think it's a legit photo; and my opinion is shared by some other military historians as well.

Thank you for your thoughts!

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Well the website listed in the post above has the same guy and the picture is taken from a different angle than the original picture you posted. So there's at least two photos of the guy out there. Just seems odd to me, to be a vintage photo of a solider. The guy's uniform and boots are spotless and he's standing in the middle of what appears to be the desert, without a spec of dirt on him. Maybe a vintage photo, but looks odd to me.  

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I have seen a lot of these type of so called "Studio Photos" of soldiers, including Russian soldiers holding '95s.  An example of one is on the cover of The Winchester Collector Spring 2015 of the NWMP soldier.

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The use of color photography was very limited back in 1916 and didn't become readily available until the 1930's.  You could show the print to a photography expert and see if they can determine when the picture was taken by the process used.

October 8, 2015
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Further discrepancies:

The online photo shows one red stripe on his epaulets, Rob's has none.

The online photo show the soldier wearing some sort of an iron cross medal, Rob's doesn't.

The structures in the background in Rob's photo are typical of garage doors on condos found here in the Southwest U.S. of A.

The sharpness of the image is incompatible with anything photographed in 1916.

Bayonet is affixed in the online photo but not in Rob's photo and there is no evidence of a scabbard on his belt.

Leather sling shows plenty of wear/age but leather belt pouches are brand new.

These are staged photos, for sure.

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Good Afternoon From The Twilight Zone,

It's 1:05 pm 08 October 2015 here in the Zone, it's a very nice Autumn Day here in the Zone, about 70 degrees, nice blue sky, with just a few wispy white clouds. The Leafs are starting to turn all different shades of various colors. 

Well Holly Geeeeezus Rob,,,

That is me back in my younger days, my girl friend took that picture of me. I was straight out of Zone Camp and a 6 Star General. Anyway we here in the Twilight Zone are way ahead of you in photography, we had enhanced color pictures way before the turn of the Century as you would call it. I wanted to be holding that Winchester Model 1895 Musket in the picture, because I knew I would be around this long to see what kind of confusion it would create for you Guy's in this time frame. As for my uniform, we had to look like that at all times. No matter what the climate or soil conditions, weather conditions. Even in the dead of winter with subzero weather that's what we looked like.

Well Rob, enough of that.

How have you been????:confused013:?  It's been a while, hope you are doing ok.

So signing out from the Twilight Zone, It's now 1:30 pm , I'm getting better, only took me 25 mins to type this out.

Enjoy Your Day....hokie

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October 8, 2015
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One added observation:  the military never mixes black leather with brown leather in uniforms. It is always all black or all brown.

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@hokie,

I doing well, thank you.  Glad you are too.  Thanks for the clarification on the photo!Laugh

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Well Rob, 

It's all good........:thumbsup:

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Save the photo and blow it up and you will see the modern city in the background upper left hand corner behind the garage doors on the buildings.  Modern photo in my opinion.

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At first, I thought that the soldier may have been a Spanish Republican during the Spanish Civil War. My brother-in-law fought the Nazis and facists there, and carried a Mosin-Nagant. I have a photo of him taken in the spring of 1937. He was marching in a parade, carrying his rifle.

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Those of you who have stated this is a modern photo are correct; therefore, it will not be used in my upcoming book.  I had an expert provide an opinion of the photo and here's what he said:

I have no doubt that it is a recreation.  For starters, the only color process that was available at the time in any wide distribution was the autochrome. This image doesn't possess the characteristics of that film.  The shadow implies it was shot around 1PM-2PM depending on where in the world. The autochrome film couldn't handle that intensity to produce an image like this. It actually appears to have been made, maybe in the late  1980s-early 1990s, perhaps for any one of a number of neat publications that were coming out in the Soviet Union and Russia at that time geared toward modelers and figure painters.  That's just a wild guess, however!

Many thanks to all who have participated in this thread......always an education!

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I knew right away that it was a modern photo because I recognized Hokie..............

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Rick Hill said

I knew right away that it was a modern photo because I recognized Hokie..............

 

Hi Rick,,,,,,:hi:,

I thought you might recognize me....:thumbup:

I hope you are doing fine..:yourock:

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