Avatar
Search
Forum Scope




Match



Forum Options



Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters
Lost password?
sp_Feed sp_PrintTopic sp_TopicIcon
And just how much have Winchester lever action valuations plummeted?
sp_NewTopic Add Topic
Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 4250
Member Since:
November 19, 2006
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
41
February 16, 2020 - 9:29 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

AG said

Item Description: Translate description
“Fantastic Winchester, Model 1886 Special Order Deluxe Takedown, .45-90 wcf,

s/n 126314,

rifle, brl length 26″”, very good plus condition, lever action, Cody Search result is matching to the rifle and appears as follows: Serial number application date not available Type: Rifle Caliber: 45/90 Barrel Type: 1/2 Octagon Trigger: Plain Checkered stock, Pistol grip Sights: Lyman front, Cup Disc rear, flat top sporting rear sights Takedown Sighted point blank 100 years Received in warehouse on September 06, 1902 Shipped from warehouse on September 06, 1902 Order Number 154679 Beautifully grained walnut borderline checkered pistol grip stock and forend with visible case coloring showing a majority still remaining on hammer, butt plate and lever with Niter bluing present on loading gate and trigger. Original bluing on barrel and tube magazine retain almost all finish with minor thinning on leading edge and around tube at retaining band. There are approximately 6 very small areas of almost unnoticeable fine freckling 2.5″ from barrel transition. Bluing on receiver shows thinning of original finish with the left side retaining 95 plus percent. Wood shows some handling indentation being light. Fantastic example of a Deluxe .45/90 Takedown. Bore shines As New.

Here’s mine. s/n 126311s  

So were there a group of four or more – maybe all ordered identically?  And who ordered them? Man, I would like to see that ledger page!

Avatar
RickC
Guest
WACA Guest
42
February 16, 2020 - 9:46 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Ya probably were at least 4 the same. Pretty neat stuff.

AG

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 1722
Member Since:
June 4, 2017
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
43
February 16, 2020 - 9:49 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

  Chuck has pointed out the wood gaps and I have some questions. Does the butt plate have minty case colors? Is the wood near perfect? If the answer to those questions is yes, then explain the condition of the receiver and the term original. Maybe this gun has been restored and the seller did well. T/R

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 4250
Member Since:
November 19, 2006
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
44
February 16, 2020 - 10:01 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_EditHistory sp_QuotePost

Unfortunately, we know this kind of stuff happens all the time.  I find it unfortunate for many reasons.  On the top of the list, is the fact that these kind of shenanigans drive new collectors away.  Getting burned leaves a really bad taste in your mouth and I’ve seen many quickly become disillusioned with collecting when this happens to them.  It’s also a reason some people are more comfortable with post-64 rifles.

 

Edit – let me add, it’s also a reason to buy in person rather than be an internet bidder.  I would feel more comfortable with internet (or phone) bidding on post-64 stuff.  However, I’m not comfortable with post-64 stuff!

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 4598
Member Since:
March 31, 2009
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
45
February 17, 2020 - 3:40 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_EditHistory sp_QuotePost

AG said

Sorry Chuck I don’t remember receiving it. Can you resend.

AG  

Erin I don’t know if I have sent you these or not? All are longs.

1st model 14414 shipped 9/2/92.

2nd model 44745 case hardened receiver. Shipped 12/26/96

2nd model 86456 fancy checkered case hardened. Shipped 9/25/1900

3rd model 624548 A.

Avatar
Member
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 521
Member Since:
February 19, 2013
sp_UserOnlineSmall Online
46
February 19, 2020 - 12:35 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Maybe this is an indication of value drop????   

 

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/856544741

I would think a 76 with these options would be more………a lot more considering any 76 that looks like this on any gun show table would be 10k+ 

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 1096
Member Since:
December 21, 2006
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
47
February 19, 2020 - 12:59 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

I see a few things I would want to inspect in hand before I paid $7500.00 for it

W.A.C.A. life member, Marlin Collectors Assn. charter and life member, C,S.S.A. member and general gun nut.

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 4250
Member Since:
November 19, 2006
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
48
February 19, 2020 - 1:05 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

A completely grey receiver and overall, a pretty much no finish (as far as the metal) rifle.  I question how well the wood matches the metal as far as wear and use. 

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 1722
Member Since:
June 4, 2017
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
49
February 19, 2020 - 1:46 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

  I think the seller did well. T/R

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 4250
Member Since:
November 19, 2006
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
50
February 19, 2020 - 1:49 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

TR said
  I think the seller did well. T/R  

I agree.

Avatar
Troutdale, OR
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 1911
Member Since:
June 26, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
51
February 19, 2020 - 3:51 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_EditHistory sp_QuotePost

steve004 said
A completely grey receiver and overall, a pretty much no finish (as far as the metal) rifle.  I question how well the wood matches the metal as far as wear and use.   

I agree.  My opinion is the wood has been refinished and doesn’t match the wear and condition of the rest of the gun.  Wood is no longer proud to the metal showing signs of sanding with rounded edges and gaps.  Wood also appears undersize at the butt plate.

Don

Avatar
RickC
Guest
WACA Guest
52
February 19, 2020 - 3:56 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

I have a couple guns with not so pretty receivers but the stocks are X wood factory lettered & still beautiful, so I can’t say I agree.

AG

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 4250
Member Since:
November 19, 2006
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
53
February 19, 2020 - 11:43 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

It’s possible the only alteration is the refinishing of the wood, which is why it doesn’t match the condition of the metal.

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 4598
Member Since:
March 31, 2009
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
54
February 19, 2020 - 5:52 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

I think the seller did good considering the lower condition of this fancy gun.

Avatar
Member
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 1118
Member Since:
May 24, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
55
February 19, 2020 - 6:06 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

I think Don pretty much nailed it with the refinished wood comment.

James

Forum Timezone: UTC 0
Most Users Ever Online: 778
Currently Online: wally, cj57, 1873man, Manuel, antler1, Big Larry, Zebulon, Jeremy P, Gene Moses
Guest(s) 167
Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)
Top Posters:
clarence: 6365
TXGunNut: 5034
Chuck: 4598
1873man: 4322
steve004: 4250
Big Larry: 2342
twobit: 2295
mrcvs: 1726
TR: 1722
Forum Stats:
Groups: 1
Forums: 17
Topics: 12758
Posts: 111117

 

Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 1766
Members: 8852
Moderators: 4
Admins: 3
Navigation