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clarence said
Chuck said I have 2 rifles that hurt when shot and this is one of them.
To be hurt by a piece as beautiful as that one in an injury I would gladly endure. (But I wouldn’t forget to wear my PAST pad!)
Clarence I did not have a PAST when I started shooting this gun. I bought one and when I tried to use it a couple years ago it was rock hard. Guess I need a new one? In a hunting situation I would not use the pad but it really saved my shoulder during load development. I’ve put about 200 rounds through this gun.
86Win said
Would winchester use 8 year old barrel? Don
Absolutely, & even older if there was a model it could be used on.
Chuck said
Clarence I did not have a PAST when I started shooting this gun. I bought one and when I tried to use it a couple years ago it was rock hard. Guess I need a new one? In a hunting situation I would not use the pad but it really saved my shoulder during load development.
Same thing happened to first one I bought, but only after at least 10 yrs. One you bought must have been new old stock. A few shots fired at game without it wouldn’t be noticed; not that I think you’d need more than one. And shooting from a bench is always more punishing than from field position.
Burt Humphrey said
oldcrankyyankee said
Now, if a certain 8 point buck was caught walking thru the back field, side pasture or the front lawn for that matter, I can’t say he would not meet the working end of said 1895.
Tom – so are you saying if presented with the opportunity you would use some of that very expensive .35 WCF ammo to take down one of these old bucks. I took these between 1962 and 1967 with a Model 94, 30-30 WIN, eastern carbine, serial #1686046 (1950), which my dad gave me when he upgraded to a Model 70. My dad had used the old 94 to put a lot of meat on the table between 1950 and 1962. These old mounts still hang in the basement of my mom’s house in South Dakota. The old 94 has been carried horseback for many, many miles and bounced around behind the seat of a pickup for years. I would not hesitate to take it out hunting today for anything the 30-30 was designed to hunt. The old 30-30 has aged well – had some varnish added a couple of times because it was constantly subjected to snow and rain.
I was always a 94 fan and over the years owned quite a few of them in all calibers. When I downsized I hung onto this one.
Happy new year to you and other WACA members!
Burt, you’re breaking my heart here man. Those are some down right trophy bucks there! And now you’re making me re think about shooting that 35wcf. It is a little over kill for white tails. But just once,? any way I am a Marine and always believe that one well placed shot beats anything else. Still would be fun to limber up an old gal like that. And for the record I too am a big fan of the venerable 30wcf!
oldcrankyyankee said
any way I am a Marine and always believe that one well placed shot beats anything else. Still would be fun to limber up an old gal like that. And for the record I too am a big fan of the venerable 30wcf!
“Well placed” is the crucial consideration. It’s the gut-shooters who need the magnums.
clarence said
oldcrankyyankee said
any way I am a Marine and always believe that one well placed shot beats anything else. Still would be fun to limber up an old gal like that. And for the record I too am a big fan of the venerable 30wcf!
“Well placed” is the crucial consideration. It’s the gut-shooters who need the magnums.
So true Clarence. But would you not agree that the fire arms makers exploited the concept of ” big Magnum calibers” to sell more guns claiming with tongue in cheek you don’t need to know how to shoot well and know the game you are hunting, just buy our big giant gun and it will do all the work for you. Of course Elmer said it best” a big heavy bullet always kills with penetration”. Still needs to hit the proper place.
oldcrankyyankee said
But would you not agree that the fire arms makers exploited the concept of ” big Magnum calibers” to sell more guns claiming with tongue in cheek you don’t need to know how to shoot well and know the game you are hunting, just buy our big giant gun and it will do all the work for you.
How do you sell a new gun to somebody who already has one or probably several, unless you claim it can do something the others can’t? Look at the profusion of new cartridges over the last 20 yrs. Not that it’s a new sales gimmick–the absolutely pointless .38-40 is a prime example.
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86Win said
on subject of 1895s I was cleaning mine and found 1906 on underside of barrel under forestock but WACA site says 1914 for SN#93657. This is a 30-06.Would winchester use 8 year old barrel? Don
My uneducated guess would be its referencing the “Model of 1906” for the .30-06 caliber.
~Gary~
Adaptation of calibers has been a marketing gimmick for….. Over a hundred years. My point still is this, one well placed shot does the job. Know your game , know your rifle.
oldcrankyyankee said
Adaptation of calibers has been a marketing gimmick for….. Over a hundred years. My point still is this, one well placed shot does the job. Know your game , know your rifle.
Yep – Clarence made that point earlier when he noted the gut shooters needed the magnums! You can still effectively hunt with the old lever guns – some do it all the time.
Burt Humphrey said
oldcrankyyankee said
Adaptation of calibers has been a marketing gimmick for….. Over a hundred years. My point still is this, one well placed shot does the job. Know your game , know your rifle.
Yep – Clarence made that point earlier when he noted the gut shooters needed the magnums! You can still effectively hunt with the old lever guns – some do it all the time.
Burt – of course what you’re holding is a bit bigger than a .30-30.
86Win said
on subject of 1895s I was cleaning mine and found 1906 on underside of barrel under forestock but WACA site says 1914 for SN#93657. This is a 30-06.Would winchester use 8 year old barrel? Don
Don,
The “1906” you see stamped on the bottom of the barrel is the caliber designation… not the date. Winchester did not begin date stamping barrels until 1920, and the date stamps were always just 2-digits.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
clarence said
Chuck said
Clarence I did not have a PAST when I started shooting this gun. I bought one and when I tried to use it a couple years ago it was rock hard. Guess I need a new one? In a hunting situation I would not use the pad but it really saved my shoulder during load development.
Same thing happened to first one I bought, but only after at least 10 yrs. One you bought must have been new old stock. A few shots fired at game without it wouldn’t be noticed; not that I think you’d need more than one. And shooting from a bench is always more punishing than from field position.
I bought the PAST in 2000. So it was about 21 years old when I last used it.
clarence said
oldcrankyyankee said
But would you not agree that the fire arms makers exploited the concept of ” big Magnum calibers” to sell more guns claiming with tongue in cheek you don’t need to know how to shoot well and know the game you are hunting, just buy our big giant gun and it will do all the work for you.
How do you sell a new gun to somebody who already has one or probably several, unless you claim it can do something the others can’t? Look at the profusion of new cartridges over the last 20 yrs. Not that it’s a new sales gimmick–the absolutely pointless .38-40 is a prime example.
Long ago, I learned how poorly cartridge nomenclature often matched up the reality of bullet diameters. And yes, the .38-40 was indeed a great example of a gimmick. On the face of it, the difference from .38 caliber to .44 caliber (.44-40) seemed a fair difference. When I learned the .38-40 was a .40 caliber and the .44-40 was short of even being .43 caliber, I came to better understand the power and influence of the marketing guys within the firearms companies.
steve004 said
Burt Humphrey said
oldcrankyyankee said
Adaptation of calibers has been a marketing gimmick for….. Over a hundred years. My point still is this, one well placed shot does the job. Know your game , know your rifle.
Yep – Clarence made that point earlier when he noted the gut shooters needed the magnums! You can still effectively hunt with the old lever guns – some do it all the time.
Burt – of course what you’re holding is a bit bigger than a .30-30.
HooYaa Burt, Darn fine moose there. Nice looking 86 too.
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