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Tom – do you have any 1895’s? I don’t recall you mentioning that model.
On the recent topic of Felix Bedlan’s M1886 inscribed rifle, here’s a M1895 that he owned. Another one that apparently didn’t sell at RIA. Very unique rifle. Maybe you can track at down (and kill a deer with of coruse):
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Talk about “cartoonish” looking animals! Just saying….. My own Ulrich No. 5 Engraved 1926 Model 12 has a bit of that too.
Tedk said
So is that Factory engraving?
It is outside the letterable range. So, a case has to be made for it. Authors with good name recognition (Madis and Wilson) have weighed in on it and it came from a very prominent collection from a highly knowledgeable Winchester collector. The unusual engraving fits in well with other unusual special order features… but… no letter. Such scenarios often have an impact and that appeared to happen here (it didn’t sell). I wonder what Pauline Muerrle what say about it?
cjs57 said
Talk about “cartoonish” looking animals! Just saying….. My own Ulrich No. 5 Engraved 1926 Model 12 has a bit of that too.
“Cartoonish” certainly describes the grouse on the Model 21 pictured in the current WCHA calendar. This is apprentice-level work; acceptable on a Model 24, but the factory should have been ashamed to display it on a 21.
steve004 said
Tom – do you have any 1895’s? I don’t recall you mentioning that model.On the recent topic of Felix Bedlan’s M1886 inscribed rifle, here’s a M1895 that he owned. Another one that apparently didn’t sell at RIA. Very unique rifle. Maybe you can track at down (and kill a deer with of coruse):
Steve I do not have any 1895’s in the hoard at this time. I just cant seem to find the right one. They are an absolutely beautiful firearm that lends to being in the woods hunting.
.But it has to be a 35 wcf with sg butt and at least 1x wood. To the others, if you think the engraving on this Bedlan gun is cartoonish please look at some of the earlier stuff, ie 66, 73, and such as late as 1894, Amoskeags offering of the Perry White 1894 last month rings a bell. At least I can tell it’s a bear on the right and a deer on the left, although the the rack on the deer looks like someone’s dream buck!
oldcrankyyankee said To the others, if you think the engraving on this Bedlan gun is cartoonish please look at some of the earlier stuff, ie 66, 73, and such as late as 1894, Amoskeags offering of the Perry White 1894 last month rings a bell. At least I can tell it’s a bear on the right and a deer on the left, although the the rack on the deer looks like someone’s dream buck!
I think I know what you mean, a good deal of that work of the 1860s & ’70s does look rather primitive by later standards. But American engraving standards steadily rose in the late 19th C., not reaching their zenith until the time of Rudolf Kornbrath. By the 1890s, work that would have passed muster in the ’60s would no longer be regarded as first-class. European standards of engraving, where the apprentice system was still very much alive, were much higher.
oldcrankyyankee said
steve004 said
Tom – do you have any 1895’s? I don’t recall you mentioning that model.
On the recent topic of Felix Bedlan’s M1886 inscribed rifle, here’s a M1895 that he owned. Another one that apparently didn’t sell at RIA. Very unique rifle. Maybe you can track at down (and kill a deer with of coruse):
Steve I do not have any 1895’s in the hoard at this time. I just cant seem to find the right one. They are an absolutely beautiful firearm that lends to being in the woods hunting.
Tom – here is your 1895 – the 35 WCF, SGB and upgraded wood you say you need to have. In my view too nice to hunt with but I guess you could. I will let you know when I decide to let it go.
Burt Humphrey said
In my view too nice to hunt with but I guess you could.
FAR too nice, unless maybe you’re shooting off your back porch toward your apple pile. Climbing rocky ridges or forcing your way through dense timber…think what one scratch would look like on that perfect rcvr.
Tom I have an 1895 in 35 WCF with a shotgun butt and upgraded wood too. Nowhere as nice as Burt’s. Shipped 10 days after Burt’s. Believe me the shotgun butt does little to stifle the recoil.
Good Lord Burt, did someone vacupak that thing when new??!!! Yes by all means keep me in mind it is everything I would want in a95. The sling eyes are a giant bonus! And to sort of answer Clarence, well with a rifle like that I probably wouldn’t be found toting it around the woods. In fact I wouldn’t , it is just to beautiful. Now, if a certain 8 point buck was caught walking thru the back field, side pasture or the front lawn for that matter, I can’t say he would not meet the working end of said 1895. Now to Chuck, your rifle sounds beautiful also. I am happy for the advice on the recoil, and I am happy to say it will be fine to me. Never found a rifle or handgun that I cant get along with.
The sling eyes are a giant bonus! oldcrankyyankee said
They absolutely are, & I’d pay a couple of hundred or more if they were on a gun I was buying for hunting. A gun slung on your shoulder is better protected from accidents than one in your hands, though even considering that, Burt’s is just too damn fine to risk in some freak accident. I sewed a large button on the shoulder of my favorite hunting coat to prevent my slings from sliding off when traversing steep terrain, leaving my hands completely free to ward off tree limbs in my path.
oldcrankyyankee said
Now to Chuck, your rifle sounds beautiful also. I am happy for the advice on the recoil, and I am happy to say it will be fine to me. Never found a rifle or handgun that I cant get along with.
I have 2 rifles that hurt when shot and this is one of them.
Chuck said I have 2 rifles that hurt when shot and this is one of them.
To be hurt by a piece as beautiful as that one in an injury I would gladly endure. (But I wouldn’t forget to wear my PAST pad!)
clarence said
Chuck said I have 2 rifles that hurt when shot and this is one of them.
To be hurt by a piece as beautiful as that one in an injury I would gladly endure. (But I wouldn’t forget to wear my PAST pad!)
Very appealing rifle. I’ve never related to the Model 1895’s lack of popularity among Winchester collectors.
Chuck that is a beautiful 95 also! the flame crotch grain in the butt stock is wonderful!
Steve , I think part of the lack of popularity is the box magazine. It was a totally new concept at the time for Winchester and I believe the “purists” want to see the traditional tube mag under the barrel. Just me yacking.
Clarence, not to forget you, I LOVE the idea of the big button sewn into the shoulder of you coat. Freaking brilliant!
oldcrankyyankee said
Now, if a certain 8 point buck was caught walking thru the back field, side pasture or the front lawn for that matter, I can’t say he would not meet the working end of said 1895.
Tom – so are you saying if presented with the opportunity you would use some of that very expensive .35 WCF ammo to take down one of these old bucks. I took these between 1962 and 1967 with a Model 94, 30-30 WIN, eastern carbine, serial #1686046 (1950), which my dad gave me when he upgraded to a Model 70. My dad had used the old 94 to put a lot of meat on the table between 1950 and 1962. These old mounts still hang in the basement of my mom’s house in South Dakota. The old 94 has been carried horseback for many, many miles and bounced around behind the seat of a pickup for years. I would not hesitate to take it out hunting today for anything the 30-30 was designed to hunt. The old 30-30 has aged well – had some varnish added a couple of times because it was constantly subjected to snow and rain.
I was always a 94 fan and over the years owned quite a few of them in all calibers. When I downsized I hung onto this one.
Happy new year to you and other WACA members!
Burt Humphrey said The old 30-30 has aged well – had some varnish added a couple of times because it was constantly subjected to snow and rain.
Aged very well, or rather well-cared for, I’d say.
on subject of 1895s I was cleaning mine and found 1906 on underside of barrel under forestock but WACA site says 1914 for SN#93657. This is a 30-06.
Would winchester use 8 year old barrel? Don
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