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September 26, 2013 - 11:21 am
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Oh man, I was just about to try to inhale some "essence." I have a few old boxes but no crates but I figured – Hey, give it a try!!.

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September 26, 2013 - 11:34 am
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That entire last post by BJREBUCK was intended to be facetious… he was not being serious about any of it.

Looks like a swallowed that one, hook, line and sinker. Embarassed

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September 26, 2013 - 6:20 pm
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I got some "Vapors" for him. 😈 ❗

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In 1958, when I was in my senior year of high school, I walked into a gun shop in Geneva, NY. The proprietor had just purchased a case of brand new 1870 Trapdoor Springfields, .50-70. He was just unscrewing the top. Those 10 rifles must have been in that case for about 80 years, but the wood inside looked unweathered. Only a few dings & grease spots. It did not look at all like old barn boards.

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September 27, 2013 - 2:10 am
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I should think it unlikely that anything produced in volume would have a wooden case that looked like barnboards. Why would it? Wood would likely have been freshly milled and utilised to produce a woden case. I would think that barnboard would only have been used if something produced in very small volumes were cased using boards just laying around. This would not apply to Winchesters at all which were produced in fairly large quantities. Decades later, the wood would appear darkened due to oxidisation of the surface of the wood (a deeper brown but not grey), but not weathered. If the owner of the case left it outside to weather, like the grey of a barn, it would have been exposed to the elements and, likewise, would the gun within have been exposed. You would find a rusted rifle within, not a pristine example of a Winchester.

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September 27, 2013 - 6:25 am
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Gentlemen (not all inclusive),
I returned yesterday from my 500 mile trek through the farmlands of beautiful Pennsylvania with my pile of barn wood and put it in the garage. This morning, anxious to get started building my fake rifle crates, I headed out to the garage and when I opened the door I got a good dose of the vapor which had accumulated overnight. 😯 Unfortunately, the aromatic vapor that smacked my nostrils was not that famous Winchester vapor but the same thing that BJREBUCK has been pedaling on the forum. Horse****! Wink
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September 27, 2013 - 7:09 am
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Here is an 1892, 1894 & 1895 crate from same source.

http://merzantiques.com/photo/winchester-model-1892-sporting-rifles-shipping-crate

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But then where’s the "essence" the "vapors?" C’mon don’t destroy theory and nostalgic hear-say with the facts.
And yes, if a gun was stored in a box like we’re discussing and it was sitting around in conditions bad enough to seriously weather the outside, chances are the gun, if still inside, would be less than pristine.
I have an idea – lets get into how the boxes were sealed for their possibly harrowing trip to wherever!!! Cool. (they weren’t specially sealed)
On a serious note. The crate in my book – if you read the story – went through quite a bit, but the guns inside somehow remained as new – not even a trace of "jiggling" wear. It was an astounding sight. I got to see them again at Wes Adams house (he bought them from the guy I appraised them for) and they were still unbelievable. "ol Herb Glass had about 10 crates like that of 94s and 95s – Yowsa what a hit he made. I did manage to personally see one other crate of 94s and a crate of 95s – equally as mind boggling. Saw a few "very questionable" single crated guns as well.

Let’s hear some more theories – you guys must have a lot of time on your hands.

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September 27, 2013 - 7:42 am
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" Let’s hear some more theories -[color=red:395b44142b] you guys must have a lot of time on your hands."[/color:395b44142b] Laugh
As do you it seems. That is the benefit of being old. Wink
Just a note. There are not many old barns around where I live but, I keep seeing wooden pallets being delivered here that have the same aged look. Might be a good source for lumber for you carpenter types.

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September 27, 2013 - 8:17 am
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Why Bob they used "Winchester Brand Sealer" of course! Wink The company made gun oil, rust remover, crystal cleaner, and machine oil. They also had to of produced "Winchester Sealer". In fact I think I have a tube still left laying some where in the back of the storage shed. The stuff works great. In fact I zoomed in on the photos of that crate on Gunbroker and I believe where some was applied to them. That’s why those crates are in such pristine condition. They were sealed with "Winchester Brand Sealer". And that’s also why there wood is aged and weathered exactly the same on the inside and outside of the crate. Hmm.

Give me a minute and with and old tube of toothpaste and a Inkjet printer I’ll even send you your tube of "Winchester Brand Sealer" for your collection, Today!

And only for the grand price of $$$$Nine Hundred dollars and Ninety-Eight cents.

Oh and don’t forget the $89 for shipping & handling & processing & vapor sealing of the package.

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September 27, 2013 - 8:35 am
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"fake" items are not unique to Winchester. There is guy on two auction sites selling "fake" Colt boxes and paperwork, and they are good. Now he is making "fake" factory letters that are so good you can only find out by contacting Colt and verifying the letter. Are Winchester letters next?

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Are Winchester letters next?

Next, is an understatement! They have been faked for years. Also reason for why Cody Musuem letters now have added security features. Like special paper and having notary type stamping placed on them, etc. And also imagine an increase in cost to the consumer as well.

Case in point, Faking in the firearms collecting world is most certainly no new thing. I was thumbing through one of my old copies of "The Gun Report" the other day. I think a 1958 issue. There was an article in the cartridge collector column about a fake 3-ball cartridge that the author had come across. That was over 55 years ago. So imagine the numerous amounts of fakes that have been produced since then.

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September 27, 2013 - 11:28 am
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Man faking has certainly come a long way since I was a Kid. I found the invalid side of a drivers license in a field It had a spot to type in so I got my girlfriend to type in "snowmobile License"(no such thing then ) and used it as fake ID It was crude but worked 99%
Speaking of fake , one of those crates I saw used the side of a Winchester ammo box (red lettering) Which I bet is still fairly plentiful

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September 27, 2013 - 12:39 pm
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94shorties
Not a lot of time but much less time to do anything in.
I now fake my Driver license THE OTHER way.
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