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February 22, 2021
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That gun was probably run through a Russian arsenal at some time and that’s where the crown came from. That crown is identical to every M91 series Mosin Nagant I have ever seen.
I wonder if it is an all matching gun?
November 1, 2013
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Brooksy said
I wonder if it is an all matching gun?
If it was assembled according to the usual factory procedures, that would be hard to determine. Contrary to Russian-made military rifles that have ser. nos. on almost every small part. So I wonder if the Russian contract required similar numbering on these ’95s?
November 27, 2013
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I collect 1895’s and have a number of 1895 muskets, including several Russian contract muskets. Every original Russian contract 1895 musket I’ve encountered, including the ones I currently own, have a crowned muzzle. I believe they were all crowned.
The only serial number I’ve found is the one on the lower tang. I don’t believe any of the other parts were serialized.
Also, Russian muskets I’ve encountered typically have strong bores with frosting in the grooves. The bore on the one in this thread is cleaner than is typical, but from what I can see in the pictures, I don’t see any evidence that it’s been relined. However, it would take a careful personal inspection to say for sure. Hope this helps. Mark
June 5, 2023
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Asking for some advice, I have a long time friend over 40 years, licensed FFL gun dealer resides some 2,000 plus miles away now,
I have bought from him a few times prior so what he says describing and his word is spot on!
With that said he has an Model 1892 Winchester 32-20 octagon barrel made in 1893. The rifle is in excellent original shape, not modified with some minor slight handling marks, the bore is in great condition no pitting. He sent me these shots said he paid $1800 about 8-9 years ago and would sell it to me for the same.Should I grab this gem? Opinions?
Caught my interest being a newbee hooked on Winchesters, already own an all original mint 1955 Winchester model 94 that was owned by the Santa Barbara Sheriff Office in mint condition, was a wall hanger most its life in the Chief’s office for decades. Came with all docs paperwork.
Any advice? Thanks!
November 7, 2015
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Richard-
Would need more & better pics to confirm but he likely paid a bit too much 8-9 years ago, we are all guilty of that when we like a gun. The front sight looks a bit odd and I’m a bit suspicious of the wood to metal fit on the upper tang. Value may have caught up with your friend’s purchase price.
Mike
December 21, 2006
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I haven’t held on to the gun , but it looks more like $800.00 $900.00 to Me. I see a brown gun with a possible stock change or refinish, may be the lighting though.
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June 5, 2023
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Thank you guys I may stay clear of this one
April 24, 2025
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(6) For the early production blued guns (models 1892 and 1894 especially), look for the forging striation patterns on the receiver frame.
What does this mean? What do they look like? Is that good or bad?
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April 15, 2005
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Frontiersman said
(6) For the early production blued guns (models 1892 and 1894 especially), look for the forging striation patterns on the receiver frame.What does this mean? What do they look like? Is that good or bad?
Thank you
This past discussion on the WACA forum that should help to answer your questions. Several of the later posts show good pictures of forging striations.
Bert
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August 27, 2014
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I get the warm fuzzies when I see forging striations on a receiver
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April 24, 2025
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Forging striations
April 24, 2025
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Lined barrel signs from the breach. Notice the seam in the extractor groove.
April 15, 2005
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Frontiersman said
Forging striations
Yes, but the two extra holes with filler plug screws in them that were drilled & tapped in the upper quadrant of the receiver frame are deal killers.
Bert
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April 24, 2025
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How can you tell the extra holes are not factory?
April 24, 2025
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Someone’s attempt to recess the crown, possibly to remove muzzle wear from improper use of a cleaning rod.
Or, a poor barrel liner job too short to reach the muzzle.
April 15, 2005
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Frontiersman said
How can you tell the extra holes are not factory?
Very simple… Winchester did not ever drill & tap any of the Model 1894(94) SRCs to mount a sight in that location. Instead, the upper tang was drilled & tapped for a tang sight (Lyman), or on special order, the receiver frame was drilled & tapped for a No. 21 or No. 38 ‘Climbing Lyman” receiver sight.
Bert
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April 15, 2005
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Frontiersman said
Someone’s attempt to recess the crown, possibly to remove muzzle wear from improper use of a cleaning rod.Or, a poor barrel liner job too short to reach the muzzle.
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August 27, 2014
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Frontiersman said
Someone’s attempt to recess the crown, possibly to remove muzzle wear from improper use of a cleaning rod.Or, a poor barrel liner job too short to reach the muzzle.
Looks like the latter to me
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May 2, 2009
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Your looking at the end of the liner, I guess someone measured wrong.
Bob
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August 27, 2014
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Frontiersman said
How can you tell the extra holes are not factory?
The bur that are clearly visible around the perimeter of both holes are a sure sign of non-factory d&t holes
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President Harry S. Truman
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