Avatar
Search
Forum Scope




Match



Forum Options



Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters
Lost password?
sp_Feed sp_PrintTopic sp_TopicIcon
Model 1892 Survey
sp_NewTopic Add Topic
Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 2417
Member Since:
March 20, 2009
sp_UserOnlineSmall Online
41
February 19, 2011 - 2:14 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

I thought I would add this to my post here so that everybody might enjoy seeing this reply to a gentleman regarding his 92 trapper he inherited from his grandfather.

Fantastic! Those photos are perfect!!! Whoo Hoo!
DSCF0005-d52543cdee4e42c30748a1132945b27a1.jpgImage Enlarger
DSCF00231.jpgImage Enlarger
DSCF00221.jpgImage Enlarger
here is the weird one!
DSCF00241.jpgImage Enlarger
Your barrel is very interesting. Because of the very short barrel and fore end the magazine retaining band is fitted closer to the receiver than is typically found on longer barrel carbines. This results in the barrel address extending just under the front portion of the rear sight. If the barrel address were in the typical position relative to the receiver it would fall under the magazine retaining ring and that was not done by Winchester.

As I mentioned earlier the style of barrel address on your rifle is from much earlier. The stamp on the right side of your barrel was commonly used on other rifle in the ssame SN range as your rifle but it is always on the left side of the barrel and a different barrel address on the rear position on the right side. The first photo below is the typical position of the Model stamp. The second photo is the usual barrel address which would be on the opposite or right side of the barrel.
wf4456win1892A.jpgImage Enlarger
wf4456win189207.jpgImage Enlarger

What this all means is that the barrel on your rifle was made specifically for a very short barreled trapper at least 60,000 rifles before it was eventually used on your rifle. During that time period the Model 92 designation was still put on the upper tang and only the address and caliber stamp were found on the barrel. When your rifle was manufactured this barrel was used, after laying around for some time, and by then the Model designation was not on the tang so the barrel had to be stamped. The original stamped barrel address was in the wrong spot to allow the ‘new’ stamp to be put on the left side. Therfore it was subsequently stamped on the right side. There wer only an additional 8,043 Model 1892 rifles manufactured after your so it was probably a matter of using the parts that had been manufactured earlier.

Signature-Pic.jpg

 

Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation

Avatar
Guest
Guest
WACA Guest
42
February 19, 2011 - 2:28 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Mike, Wow!!! thats different i wonder if winchester did a few of those? mine was pretty late but different than that one, is the barrel shorter then 15"? Don

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 2417
Member Since:
March 20, 2009
sp_UserOnlineSmall Online
43
February 19, 2011 - 3:13 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Don,

The barrel is 15".
I have another sporting rifle in my survey at SN 984038 with the same mis-matched barrel stamps. Early barrel address and caliber stamp and then the later Model designation stamped, in that case, on the correct left side. Some of these ‘late’ guns I think are a mishmash of parts. There is a rifle at Merz with SN 933160 which has a tang stamp that pretty much ends around SN 480,000??? The gun looks unmessed with.

Michael

Signature-Pic.jpg

 

Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation

Avatar
Guest
Guest
WACA Guest
44
February 27, 2011 - 4:16 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Mike, I got a bit more info coming your way in a bit! my buddys 1892 deluxe rifle, and saddle ring carbine with the pistol grip carbine buttstock. Don

Avatar
Member
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 42
Member Since:
April 5, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
45
March 2, 2011 - 5:35 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Hi twobit,

I have a pair of ´92:s here in Finland, one "basic" sporting rifle and the other being a special-order gun. If you pm your e-mail address I´ll send you the information about the guns.

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 2417
Member Since:
March 20, 2009
sp_UserOnlineSmall Online
46
March 3, 2011 - 11:31 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Leverfan,

Thanks so much for the addition of the two fine sporting rifles. It might be a tie for the ‘most northern rifles’ with the couple I have from Alaska!

You early rifle, SN 177149 with the 28" barrel is not real common. The 26" barrel is the most popular longer than standard variation, and the numbers decrease as the extra length increases. You second rifle, SN 997755 is a very nice condition sporting rifle and is within the last .6% of the production of the Model 1892.

I greatly appeciate the effort on the photos even with 3 feet of snow on the ground! As I mentioned in the more detailed email synopsis if you have further question please feel free to ask.

Thanks from afar,
Michael

Signature-Pic.jpg

 

Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 2417
Member Since:
March 20, 2009
sp_UserOnlineSmall Online
47
March 10, 2011 - 3:47 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

From Madis to Cabela’s and out the door for $800

I was trolling through the Cabela’s Gun Library listing looking for new additions. I wish they had a simpler method as they commonly do not list any serial numbers. I came across a rifle that had an SN listed so I checked my spreadsheet only to find that I already had it. I also note where I have found each rifle so that maybe I can go back and get clarification or for some yet undefined need. This rifle popped up as having been originally found in The Winchester Book by George Madis on page 370, center of the page. I had, early on, gone through the book and mined whatever information I could on the many 1892 rifles shown there. Typically not much more than configuration and caliber.

Though this rifle is unique in that it has a 26" octagon barrel. The photo in the book does not show the entirety of the stock so it looks a bit weird. The lever in the book photo has definitely had a problem. By the time it was sold this time around the lever has been replaced. They sold it just yesterday for $800. I caught up to it just in time before it was removed from the site. I got to see it a bit better this time but didn’t get any more detail about it.
[Image Can Not Be Found]
[Image Can Not Be Found]
[Image Can Not Be Found]
[Image Can Not Be Found]

Thanks, Michael

Signature-Pic.jpg

 

Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation

Avatar
Member
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 6
Member Since:
February 28, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
48
March 21, 2011 - 1:04 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Michael, I have 24 92s in the collection, including one Deluxe and several SRCs, from 1892 to 1928. Glad to share details with you but my PM to your Gmail addy has bounced back… 😕

WACA #304, Loving life in Homer, Alaska, where the campfire always has room for more hunting and fishing lies...

Avatar
Member
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 6
Member Since:
February 28, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
49
March 21, 2011 - 1:09 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Bert H. said
And finally, I am surveying the Model 65… that covers all of the variants 8) .

Bert

I only have 2 65s in the collection, Bert but you’re welcome to details on them to help your survey. PM me with what details you want…

WACA #304, Loving life in Homer, Alaska, where the campfire always has room for more hunting and fishing lies...

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 2417
Member Since:
March 20, 2009
sp_UserOnlineSmall Online
50
November 2, 2011 - 6:45 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

I just want to thank Wayne for all of his photo effort of his 10 rifles. And thanks also to Graham in Australia for the auction link. Great help. I have added 53 rifles in the past 3 days.

If you have one or a dozen I would love to have them. Or at least the information for the survey!

Thanks
Michael

Signature-Pic.jpg

 

Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 62
Member Since:
January 1, 2007
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
51
November 2, 2011 - 8:35 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Thanks to Michael , Bert , Kirk and Chris for all of your time and work compiling information on the 92s and its derivatives . Nobody has ever devoted so much time to the well deserving 1892 Winchester.
It would be nice if all of the people studying these rifles would get together when all is done to whatever degree you decide to stop at and compile it all in one booklet or book and offer it to WACA members.
You can put me down for one right now .

Thanks Again

Wayne

Avatar
Ontario Canada
Member
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 584
Member Since:
April 23, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
52
April 24, 2012 - 7:17 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Hi I am a new member so this is a test post. I like 92’s and have 6 I can send info on

Phils-Schuetzen-compressed.jpg 

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 2417
Member Since:
March 20, 2009
sp_UserOnlineSmall Online
53
April 24, 2012 - 5:46 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Hello 25-20,

I would love to add your six rifles to the effort. I will need the full serial number for each and detail photos of the barrel address, caliber stamp, upper tang stamp, and anything unique to each rifle. A series of emails will work best.

Thanks
Michael

Signature-Pic.jpg

 

Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation

Avatar
Member
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 163
Member Since:
January 22, 1999
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
54
May 11, 2012 - 3:27 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Hello to anyone that reads this reply,
I just finished sending Mike pictures of my Winchester Model 1892/92 Rifles and Carbines. He has responded to each e-mail and related specfics about each one. My Collection is by no means Top of the Line,just Winchesters that were used for what they were bought for back in their day. So lets all do our Community a BIG Favor and support all the research that is being done here at WACA about All WINCHESTER Models.

Thanks,
hokie

"I Would Have Rather Lived Through The Industrial Revaluation"

"Instead of The Space Age"

From

 The Twilight Zone

 

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 2417
Member Since:
March 20, 2009
sp_UserOnlineSmall Online
55
May 11, 2012 - 3:47 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Hokie,

It has been a pleasure looking at your rifles. And the gorgeous forsythia bush in the background of the photos. I grew up in Michigan and we had a number of them around the house. It was always a treat in the spring when they bloomed.

I now have right at 3250 rifles in the effort but would like to capture several thosand more. Every rifle is important to me. The research has really been fun and often times quite rewarding. Especially in those instances when I have worked with folks who really had no idea what it was they had intheir hands. I have worked with museums to better define the collections they have and with people from around the world. The whole process has been a great teaching and learning effort for me and I look forward to continuing the hunt and eventually making the results accessible to the collecting community.

Thanks again for all your effort. If I can ever be of help do not hesitate to ask

Michael

Signature-Pic.jpg

 

Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 2417
Member Since:
March 20, 2009
sp_UserOnlineSmall Online
56
July 17, 2012 - 8:47 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Hello to my fellow collectors,

The survey project continues to move along nicely at a steady pace. I currently have 3471 rifles in the spreadsheet. My only regret is that more time has gone by and I still have not been able to clear the time schedule in order to attend some of the major gun shows in an effort to expand my data collection. That is the reason for this addition to the thread

Starting in September my wonderful wife and I will be traveling in Italy for four months and while I will have my my lap top with me I most certainly will be in areas that will have sketchy internet access at best. There is also all that fantastic food, great wine, phenominal photography opportunities, kilometers of bike trails, and a few operas to attend that will be limiting my "Winchester" time.

So I make this plea that if you have any Model 1892/92 rifles and have yet to get around to sending me data and photos could I please beg that you do so in the next few weeks so I might get it entered before it lags any longer or a rifle or two end up getting sold. I greatly appreciate everyones help and will answer any questions you might have regarding your collection.

Thanks,
Michael

Signature-Pic.jpg

 

Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 2417
Member Since:
March 20, 2009
sp_UserOnlineSmall Online
57
July 29, 2012 - 9:22 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Hello,

I just wanted to take a moment to extend a huge thank you to Alan David of Sydney, Australia for his gracious submission of data on 32 DCP stamped 44 WCF saddle ring carbines to be included in my work. These rifles are in the serial number range from 708300 to 791503 and span the time period from 1913 to 1915. I truly appreciate his unselfish sharing of information based on his many hours of effort.

Thanks again
Michael

Signature-Pic.jpg

 

Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation

Avatar
Member
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 192
Member Since:
September 9, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
58
August 1, 2012 - 11:39 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Michael, I sent you info on some 1892 Winchesters a while back. Looking through my old records, I ran across a few more 92’s that I previously owned. I don’t know if I included these, or not. Don’t think so. I’m sure all were the standard configuration because I made no notation of special features. They may just help fill in some gaps.

1892 Win. Rifle, Cal. .32WCF, Ser. No. 177,822

1892 Win. Rifle, Cal. .32WCF, Ser. No. 414,116

1892 Win. SRC, Cal. .32WCF, Ser. No. 838,859

1892 Win. SRC, Cal. .32WCF, Ser. No. 994,001
(I show this as an 1892 carbine, but it could have
been marked Model 92. My memory is pretty good,
but I sold it in 1978 and have looked at a lot of 92’s
since then.)

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 2417
Member Since:
March 20, 2009
sp_UserOnlineSmall Online
59
August 1, 2012 - 12:24 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Oakridge,

SN 414116 and 994001 are new rifles. You had apparently sent me the other two and I have your email address as the "location" of these rifles. I will assume(?) that standard configuration for the rifles was octagon barrel? Actually I checked that again and the 177822 rifle is from another source unless you had a comcast.net email account at some time.

Thanks for the effort!
Michael

Signature-Pic.jpg

 

Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation

Avatar
Member
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 192
Member Since:
September 9, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
60
August 1, 2012 - 11:19 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Michael, As to the ser.#177,822 rifle, I sold it in 1977 and I never had such an Email account, so I assume it was reported to you by a subsequent owner. And, yes, by standard configuration I mean octagon barrel.

Forum Timezone: UTC 0
Most Users Ever Online: 4623
Currently Online: twobit, deerhunter, M64lvr
Guest(s) 159
Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)
Top Posters:
clarence: 7119
TXGunNut: 5929
Chuck: 5348
steve004: 4874
1873man: 4568
Big Larry: 2475
twobit: 2417
mrcvs: 2055
TR: 1838
Forum Stats:
Groups: 1
Forums: 18
Topics: 14060
Posts: 124367

 

Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 1977
Members: 9595
Moderators: 4
Admins: 3
Navigation