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1895 deluxe with extra long forearm
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Does the wood look original on this deluxe 1895?  I was thinking no at first glance but it does have the ebony fore-end tip, so now unsure.  No mention of extra long forearm in the letter though.

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/winchester-rifles-antique-lever/winchester-1895-deluxe-30-us-rare.cfm?gun_id=102168142

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Does the wood look original on this deluxe 1895?  I was thinking no at first glance but it does have the ebony fore-end tip, so now unsure.  No mention of extra long forearm in the letter though.

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/winchester-rifles-antique-lever/winchester-1895-deluxe-30-us-rare.cfm?gun_id=102168142

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Don – I too am perplexed by the forearm – to the best of my knowledge that is not a Winchester style of Checkering on the forearm – the buttstock looks correct as does the butt plate, barrel markings and upper tang markings. The sights, as noted in the letter appear to be correct. Also, the ebony insert looks right and the wood to metal fit on both the forearm and buttstock is excellent. As you note, the forearm is extra long but has 2 screws holding it on instead of the normal single screw – this is something I have never seen. If it was a factory forearm seems like there would be something in the records. I looked in the Pirkle book but I cannot find anything on a long forearm. Looks like I am going to learn something here – will wait for Bert or another member to let us know. I’m assuming the forearm has been replaced but will wait and see what others have to say.

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deerhunter said
Does the wood look original on this deluxe 1895?  I was thinking no at first glance but it does have the ebony fore-end tip, so now unsure.  No mention of extra long forearm in the letter though.

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/winchester-rifles-antique-lever/winchester-1895-deluxe-30-us-rare.cfm?gun_id=102168142

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This is the third one of these 1895’s with a long forearm I’ve seen, two deluxe models and one standard.  None of them have lettered.  I can’t say with certainty that they aren’t original, but it doesn’t seem likely that such an unusual feature wouldn’t be included in the ledger entries for all of these rifles.  Mark

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Got to agree with Mark on this one.  Its either the second I’ve seen photos of, or possibly the one I have seen previously.  Without documentation of the forend, I would not consider a premium for it, and likely would think it detracts from the potential value.  Mark, have you ever gotten to look under the forend of one for the machining of the second screw attachment, etc?  Does look to be done by a skilled tradesman, but we all know or knew of some stocker who could have fit one this well.  In the back of my brain, a fuzzy memory says one other had a schnabel tip rather than this type.  Tim

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I will add that I also do not believe that the forend stock & checkering on it is a factory original. Something of that significance would have positively been noted in the factory ledger records. I too would be very interested in seeing how the barrel was modified to add the tenon for the second attachment screw.

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It seems I saw one of these long forearm 1895’s at the Cody Firearms museum about 8-10 years ago, but don’t recall if it was factory original or not.  Anyone here seen the same 1895?

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It seems I saw one of these long forearm 1895’s at the Cody Firearms museum about 8-10 years ago, but don’t recall if it was factory original or not.  Anyone here seen the same 1895?

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May seem like a stupid question but here it is. Why would Cody have any firearms that are not factory original?

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Maverick said

deerhunter said

It seems I saw one of these long forearm 1895’s at the Cody Firearms museum about 8-10 years ago, but don’t recall if it was factory original or not.  Anyone here seen the same 1895?

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May seem like a stupid question but here it is. Why would Cody have any firearms that are not factory original?

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Maverick

  

You are right. I started flipping through the 1895 book and came across the rifle I was thinking of at the Cody museum and it clearly is different than the subject gun on Guns International. 

Here’s the one at Cody (bottom gun):

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Interestingly the top rifle was sent to Russ. We have recently been discussing who Russ was. My failing memory seems to recall that was the shortened name of a man whose last name was Russell. I am sure somebody with a good memory can fill in. Don

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Leander Russell.  Also written about in the model 1895 book.  Tim

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I have a Model 1895 Deluxe that I bought over 30 years ago at a show with that long forearm and  also a hook eye sling swivel attached by a dovetail ahead of the forearm.    I walked by it all day at a show and couldnt decide about it and finally came to an inbetween price with the seller.  I showed it to a Winchester dealer friend of mine  and he thought that somone had done the work outsine of the factorey,  We researched it at Cody and it was returned for rework on three seperate ocassions with no detalis given about the rework.  It also is sporting a carbine barrel .   After researching it we both frlt that it was done at Winchester during the returns  .The checkering style of mine is not as the one above  but more to the factory style.   I aslo discovered  later that the wood at the top near the barrel shank was so thin that they cut a ittle triangle out  and inlayed two small pieces cross grain to give the thin highly figured wood strength there.  Wish I had been able to get it Rob before that book on the 1895s was published

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