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I believe serial number is 404880 but could be 6? At the end. There is pitting obscuring the number.
Kirby92 said
Winchester never used (at least back in the day when real M1892’s were made) the term, “Trapper Carbine.” It is a collector term and most collectors would refer to a 15 inch barreled M1892 as a Trapper.
I see by the serial number that it is too late a serial number to have configuration verified by the museum in Cody Wyoming.
The serial number indicates your carbine was made in 1907.
16 inches is the minimum barrel length for a carbine or rifle to not be considered special by the ATF – which means it has to be cleared by them to be considered legal. Carbines or rifles that have been shortened after they left the factory will not be cleared by the ATF. Do you have any ATF paperwork with yours?
I don’t have anything but the gun. How do I go about getting ATF paperwork?
There is a process. Be careful and follow it exactly or you could lose the rifle. If this rifle has changed hands a few times it may be considered to be illegal transfers.
Chuck said
There is a process. Be careful and follow it exactly or you could lose the rifle. If this rifle has changed hands a few times it may be considered to be illegal transfers.
Unless the barrel is welded in place, I would remove the barrel until you get the paperwork sorted out. Removing it will make it legal to have for the time being. If the barrel is welded in place and the weld looks factory, then it is most likely factory work and give credit towards it being a true Curio & Relic.
Maverick
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Maverick said
Chuck said
There is a process. Be careful and follow it exactly or you could lose the rifle. If this rifle has changed hands a few times it may be considered to be illegal transfers.
Unless the barrel is welded in place, I would remove the barrel until you get the paperwork sorted out. Removing it will make it legal to have for the time being. If the barrel is welded in place and the weld looks factory, then it is most likely factory work and give credit towards it being a true Curio & Relic.
Maverick
Winchester never “welded” a barrel to any receiver. All barrels were threaded in place.
Bert
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Or You could sell it to a Canadian, it does,’t matter how long the barrel is.
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Bert H. said
Maverick said
Chuck said
There is a process. Be careful and follow it exactly or you could lose the rifle. If this rifle has changed hands a few times it may be considered to be illegal transfers.
Unless the barrel is welded in place, I would remove the barrel until you get the paperwork sorted out. Removing it will make it legal to have for the time being. If the barrel is welded in place and the weld looks factory, then it is most likely factory work and give credit towards it being a true Curio & Relic.
Maverick
Winchester never “welded” a barrel to any receiver. All barrels were threaded in place.
Bert
I thought a read some where one of the GCAs in the 1930s required short barrels to be factory welded. Or am I confusing this with something the U.S. Government or another foreign Government would do to short rifles? Weren’t there a lot of 12″ & 14″ model 92s with welded barrels?
Either way, taking the barrel off until the paperwork situation is sorted out, is likely the best option.
Henry Mero said
Or You could sell it to a Canadian, it does,’t matter how long the barrel is.
I’m not Canadian but I don’t believe you’re correct on that. Google can be wrong, but this is what popped up.
18.5 inches – A non-restricted firearm is a regular sporting rifle or shotgun with a barrel length of at least 470 millimeters (18.5 inches) and an overall length of at least 660 (26 inches).
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The NFA of 1934 did not require barrels to be welded. It did result in Winchester discontinuing barrel lengths < 16 inches.
Again, Winchester did not weld barrels to the receiver frames on any of their firearms.
Bert
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Ya’ Maverick, I am not wrong, You need to go and read the whole firearms act, it’ll only take about a week or so, then You need to interpret it.They are legally selling/buying Henry and Uberti mares legs with 12″ barrels and survival shotguns with similar short barrels etc.
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Henry Mero said
They are legally selling/buying Henry and Uberti mares legs with 12″ barrels and survival shotguns with similar short barrels etc.
You mean lever-action “pistols”? 
I’ve seen some creative ways from manufacturers to get around the NFA of late.
Jeremy P said
Henry Mero said
They are legally selling/buying Henry and Uberti mares legs with 12″ barrels and survival shotguns with similar short barrels etc.
You mean lever-action “pistols”?
The “NFA” does not apply to non U.S.A. sales. Canada does not have a short barrel length restriction like the U.S. does.
Bert
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Bert H. said
The “NFA” does not apply to non U.S.A. sales. Canada does not have a short barrel length restriction like the U.S. does.
Bert
Yes, I know, I just mean those are available here too and many other ways the manufactures (and citizens) dance around that law is creative at least.
Jeremy P said
Bert H. said
The “NFA” does not apply to non U.S.A. sales. Canada does not have a short barrel length restriction like the U.S. does.
Bert
Yes, I know, I just mean those are available here too and many other ways the manufactures (and citizens) dance around that law is creative at least.
And it should be unnecessary to be compelled to “dance” around a “law” that is at its core is unconstitutional.
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Even the Gamegetter I posted the other day can be a NFA gun with the shorter barrels that could be ordered or if you take the folding stock off. Get your stuff together before contacting the BATFE. The legal method has been posted here before but I don’t know where or by whom? One wrong word or step and at the least they will take the rifle away from you.
Bert H. said
Jeremy P said
Bert H. said
The “NFA” does not apply to non U.S.A. sales. Canada does not have a short barrel length restriction like the U.S. does.
Bert
Yes, I know, I just mean those are available here too and many other ways the manufactures (and citizens) dance around that law is creative at least.
And it should be unnecessary to be compelled to “dance” around a “law” that is at its core is unconstitutional.
Agreed!
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