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1873 short rifle from Brazil
December 3, 2019
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2899383F-BFDB-4ED0-A7BF-D932E4CB2226.jpegImage EnlargerI have an 1873 44-40 with a 20” barrel (lettered 1901) that apparently spent some time in Brazil (State of Carrie’) it has The name of the town and a nearby river engraved in the stock along with a symbol similar to a brand you would see in the states on a ranch. This rifle also at one time or a nickel finish most of which is now gone. The finish is not stated on the Cody letter so I don’t know if it was ordered that way or added later. I’m told that that was not uncommon in South America due to the wet environment in rain forest. I’m also told that these were referred to as “yellow tags” by the common people in these areas.  Wondering if anyone has any knowledge or experience with rifles from this region and or would have any more insight into the markings... Ranch rifle? American hunter? Mining company? 892449A8-B936-402B-805A-6C373F112846.jpegImage EnlargerUnfortunatelyDF067719-F033-4873-B9DB-4FED13E61182.jpegImage EnlargerUnfortunately like many of these neat old Winchesters its story has been lost to time and those who care not to pass down history .  It is very very well used however still shoots well.  Any insight is appreciated thank you! 

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December 3, 2019
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What is the serial number? I'll look it up in my research.

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December 4, 2019
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I found it by the carvings in the stock.

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Is the dust cover made of Brass?

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December 4, 2019
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Maverick,

Yes it is but its home made from I see.

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Bob sn is 558552.  What did you find from the carvings?  The dust cover is brass, I will post better pics of it.  It also has the cleaning storage in the butt plate

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I haven't tried to search the carvings which about all we will find is what you find on Google. The real history has to come from original owner and since this went through a auction you can't track it back. Were you the one that bought it at auction in 2017?

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Bob, I was not the purchaser,  a gentleman from Texas bought it and initially planned on restoring it. 
I realize the actual story is lost to time and now is only to be speculated, just curious why a rifle like this would have been down there what significance the markings may have. 

The place engraved on the stock is kind of in the middle of nowhere not much information out there about that part of Brazil.  I was able to locate a small local museum in that town and have contacted them and sent them pictures to see if they may know anything.  The spelling of the river/brackish lake on the stock is apparently the old spelling (17-1800’s) obviously locals would have continued to use the old spelling for sometime.  

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I've never seen a REPO dust cover made of brass before. At least you know that it is what it is.

Kind of neat.

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Bob, I was not the purchaser,  a gentleman from Texas bought it and initially planned on restoring it. 
I realize the actual story is lost to time and now is only to be speculated, just curious why a rifle like this would have been down there what significance the markings may have. 

The place engraved on the stock is kind of in the middle of nowhere not much information out there about that part of Brazil.  I was able to locate a small local museum in that town and have contacted them and sent them pictures to see if they may know anything.  The spelling of the river/brackish lake on the stock is apparently the old spelling (17-1800’s) obviously locals would have continued to use the old spelling for sometime.    

Short barreled rifles and carbines were used a lot in Mexico and South America since they were easier to carry. Just like the trapper rifles.

It sounds like you have a head start on the carvings. Even if you find out who owned it and did the carving, it would have to be someone famous or infamous to significantly help the value. If its just a local farmer or hunter it probably will have little impact on the value in this country but add to its wall hanger value.

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I've never seen a REPO dust cover made of brass before. At least you know that it is what it is.

Kind of neat.

Sincerely,

Maverick  

Maverick,

In third world countries they used what ever they could get their hands on to fix things. I have a friend that spent many years in Madagascar. It was very interesting listening to his stories on how and what they had to do to get things done or fix something you couldn't get parts for. He had a tractor that the needle valve in the carburetor broke and ended up making a new one from iron wood.

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