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"F" checkered TD on GB.
September 28, 2013
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Anybody check this one out? I can't wait for the stories on this one. Please don't mention the case.

September 28, 2013
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Bert - I doubled up on the submit button - hey, I'm old!!! Please erase one of them. Thanks

September 28, 2013
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Whats the item number? or a link to it.

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September 28, 2013
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This may be the one Bob is referring to. It had a bid of $7,500.00 and the reserve was not met so, relisted.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=367960634

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September 28, 2013
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Thanks Paul,

I find that listing lacking a lot of information and pictures. He says he has a letter but does not really state what the letter says. One thing catches my eye about the gun is the checkering looks real deep from what I'm use to seeing.

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September 28, 2013
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Bert - I doubled up on the submit button - hey, I'm old!!! Please erase one of them. Thanks

You can delete your own post, with the X button at upper right of your post . Good feature for the double posts, and I also like the Edit feature that allows you to correct embarrassing spelling errors

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September 28, 2013
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I don't have a X in any of my posts, just the quote and edit buttons.

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edit: it just showed up just after I posted this one but its just my last post.

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September 28, 2013
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I believe that you can delete it yourself if no one has replied to it yet. Once there has been a reply, you can only edit it.

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September 28, 2013
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Your right Paul, the X went away once you posted.

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September 28, 2013
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"You can delete your own post, with the X button at upper right of your post . Good feature for the double posts, and I also like the Edit feature that allows you to correct embarrassing spelling errors[/quote] "

Funny I got the X (delete) option a few minute ago , but tried again and the delete feature is not showing. I have deleted double post before by ckicking the Edit button ,and you had the choice to Edit /or delete but I dont see the delete option right now there either as I just tried?

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September 28, 2013
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Looking at the case, it looks like it new. The leather strap holding the receiver in has no wear and the liner is perfect.

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September 28, 2013
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More photos and a copy of the Cody letter added to the GB ad for this rifle. Yes, the case looks brand new but, cases, boxes & crates are not something I pay any attention to.

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September 28, 2013
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Interesting observations.

September 28, 2013
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Hmmm...

He lists the serial number as 96641, and that serial number is not listed in the ARMAX as having a carved stock. The factory letter only indicates "checkered stocks". While it may have been an oversight by the person who recorded it in the ledger, I have my doubts about it. Bob pointed out the depth of the carving, and I will point out the plain grained walnut. I am not saying that the F-carved stocks are not original, but I have doubts about them.

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September 28, 2013
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Now we're getting somewhere!

September 28, 2013
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It's checkered with a F checkering patern, not very common but I've had a couple in the shop.

Plain wood, fairly uncommon with checkering but not unheard of, what is the issue? Heck, I had one that lettered with a fancy forend and plain buttstock

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September 28, 2013
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Too early of a gun to have a proofed barrel isn't it? It does show an R&R in 1915 so maybe it got a new barrel at that time.

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September 28, 2013
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I think I might be interested in whether or not the receiver has a proofmark - it shouldn't, but it might, making the outcome moot but having the proofmark on the barrel certainly advances the re-barrel theory. I would bet that the barrel marking will coincide with the R&R period.
Questions:
Why the R&R - we have no way of knowing but it wasn't a caliber change.
Was the wood changed with an upgraded pattern at the R&R????

Probably a refin at the R&R also - no way to know
Plain wood with that pattern is quite unusual - Mike - a checkered forearm and a plain buttstock is not THAT unusual but not common either.

Would ask for another photo of the proofmark area - it looks funky but could be just the pic
Would like a pic of the receiver top as well AND the barrel marking(s)

A PRIME example of the recently discussed "story" gun - would any of you pay what the seller has already turned down?

It IS a handsome gun nonetheless.

September 28, 2013
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Bob

Sorry for the confusion, what I meant by fancy forend is 3 X wood & plain buttstock. And it lettered that way. How common is that?

If I remember correctly it was the only one.

September 28, 2013
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When I first saw this gun, it was about a year ago, it was just before I went up for the moose hunt last October. A fellow in Florida was selling it. If I recall correctly, he was asking either $9,000 or $11,000 for the rifle. It was for sale a very long time, but it appears someone else bought it - who is selling it again.
I had my concerns about the F style checkering / carving pattern. Guess that is why I did not buy it. One thing I did notice is that the curvy swirl lines in the spade patterns curl back in the opposite direction as they do in any other photos of F pattern checkering I have looked at in reference material - I.E. in Highly Finished Arms. On this gun, they curl back, in other photos I have seen, they curl forward towards the pointy end of the spade. Sorry if this is not clear, you will likely have to look at a photo to get my point. Maybe artist discretion, I don't know, but I stayed away from it at that time. The overall checkering pattern looks a bit off as well once you take a good look at the pattern in Highly Finished Arms. Maybe 100% correct, but I have concerns.
Matt
P.S. The original seller I spoke to last Fall who had the gun, has two other 1894s for sale on GI right now. More to discuss:)
http://www.gunsinternational.com/WINCHESTER-1894-TAKE-DOWN-IN-COLLECTOR-CONDITION-WITH-ALL-THE-RIGHT-STUFF-.cfm?gun_id=100378555

http://www.gunsinternational.com/WINCHESTER-1894-ANTIQUE-TAKE-DOWN-COLLECTOR-GRADE-SEVERAL-OPTIONS.cfm?gun_id=100378541

Matt

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