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Winchester Reloading Tool Survey
October 16, 2018
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Thanks for the info. I am on the lookout for a decapping pin especially for the 38 WCF. 

I may have to make one. 

I need to use the mould to see what the actual diamiter is. Would really like to use them.

 

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October 16, 2018
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There are some reproductions on Ebay pretty regular, and infrequently a original pin shows up.

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November 27, 2019
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I have several Model 1880 tools that support my Model 1876 rifle collection.  I have the Yearout reloading tool book and these descriptions are based on his work.

1.  Model 1880 first issue (Fourth reloading tool) in .45-75 with just patent and caliber markings.  No makers marks.45-75-1880-tool-type-1-01.jpgImage Enlarger45-75-1880-tool-type-1-02.jpgImage Enlarger45-75-1880-tool-type-1-03.jpgImage Enlarger

2.  Model 1880 second issue (Fifth reloading tool) in .40-60 WCF, with patent, caliber markings and makers marks.  Came with what I believe to be an original Barlow patent decapping pin that is marked 40-60W.40-60-1880-tool-type-2-01.JPGImage Enlarger40-60-1880-tool-type-2-02.JPGImage Enlarger40-60-1880-tool-type-2-03.JPGImage Enlarger

3. Model 1880 fourth issue (Seventh reloading tool) in .45-75, with patent, caliber markings and makers marks.  It has the Berdan chisel. Came with what I believe to be an original decapping pin that is marked 45 which does not have the Barlow patent case forming collar.45-75-1880-tool-type-4-01.jpgImage Enlarger45-75-1880-tool-type-4-02.jpgImage Enlarger45-75-1880-tool-type-4-03.jpgImage Enlarger

November 27, 2019
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Bill,

Thanks for the info.

On your #1 comment, your tool was likely made 1880-1882 due to the patent address marking, I believe in 1883 the 3-Line Address was added to the tools. Shame it is missing the berdan chisel, otherwise seems to be a very nice spoon-handled tool.

On your #2 comment, your 40-60wcf 2nd variation is fairly nice, I have no Idea whose initials are marked on the bottom handle, but have seen similarly done initials on other tools. The 2nd variation is believed to have been made from 1884-1896. I believe yours is later production tool, as the patent address markings is the 2nd type I've found for the 1880 Tool, but I have yet to narrow down a range for it and speculate at least post-1890. 

On your #3 comment, 45-75 4th variation is nice as well, and also has the later type patent address marking. I believe your are correct that the de-capping pin is an original Winchester pin, but it is the earlier type pin, pre-1882 patent and would be more suited for your 45-75 Spoon Handle 1st Type Tool. 

Again Thank You for contributing to my survey.

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Maverick

P.S. You don't happen to have any other Winchester Reloading Tools?

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November 28, 2019
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Maverick, I have more tools and molds in .38 WCF, .44 WCF, .45-60.  I'll take some more photos and then post them.

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1. Model 1880 fourth issue (Seventh reloading tool) in .45-60, with patent, caliber markings and makers marks.  It has the Berdan chisel. Came with what I believe to be an original decapping pin that is marked 45W which does have the Barlow patent case forming collar.  One would presume that the decapping pin is post 1882.  

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2.  Model 1878 fourth model iron mould in .45-75 with caliber markings and makers marks.  Perfect chamber.

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November 29, 2019
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Bill,

 

Your 4th Type 1880 Tool in 45-60 has the earlier type patent date markings. The de-capping pin appears correct and is the post-1882 type.

On your 4th Type Mold in 45-75, Does the mold blocks have the alignment pin?

Do you mind also sending me pics to my email at bradydh123@hotmail.com?

Sincerely,

Maverick 

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This came into my hands recently:

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It is all printed on one side of a sheet approximately 12-1/4 inches wide by approximately 10 inches high, folded down the middle. The reverse side is blank.

Please feel free to use in your research as you may see fit.

 

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 I have Winchester wooden handle bullet molds for .44 WCF,.45-70 Gov.,.45-70 FP,.50-110 and .50-100-450.Model 1894 loading equipment for .45-70 Gov.,.45-70 FP and .50-100-450.

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30Gov03 said
This came into my hands recently:

It is all printed on one side of a sheet approximately 12-1/4 inches wide by approximately 10 inches high, folded down the middle. The reverse side is blank.

Please feel free to use in your research as you may see fit.

Jim  

Thank you very much. I've seen this sheet before. It is one of the earlier ones. So far I've narrowed the production range for this sheet to 1884-1890 time frame, a 6-year period. The September 1st, 1884 catalog is the first to note the change from American Powder Company to American Powder Mills. This variation of powder company listings and instructions is last duplicated in the November 1890 catalog. I would suppose it wasn't produced much after that. 

There is another version of this sheet, with only a slight difference between them.  It has the letters "W.R.A.Co." on the tool image.

 

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 I have Winchester wooden handle bullet molds for .44 WCF,.45-70 Gov.,.45-70 FP,.50-110 and .50-100-450.Model 1894 loading equipment for .45-70 Gov.,.45-70 FP and .50-100-450.  

28 Gauge, I've sent you a PM.

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I'm going to stir the pot a bit on the 1880 large frame tools.  I have never quite accepted that the 1880 2nd issue tool without the Berdan cutout preceded the the 3rd issue type that does have the Berdan cutout.   As the 1st issue tool had the Berdan cutout, it seems illogical that Winchester would remove it for the 2nd issue tool, then put it back again for the 3rd and 4th issue tools.

Or, does the research lead us to believe that then 2nd, 3rd and 4th issue tools may have been made concurrently?

Thoughts?

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Bill Hockett said
Or, does the research lead us to believe that then 2nd, 3rd and 4th issue tools may have been made concurrently?

Thoughts?  

I do consider that Yearouts 2nd, 3rd & 4th Issue tools to in reality would have been made concurrently during production. Although some issues may have been produced longer than other issues. And would also be more inclined to label them something like "Sub-Types" to an overall general label of 1st & 2nd Type 1880 Tools. 1st Type being the large thick Spoon handle tool and the 2nd Type being the thinner lighter tong handle tools.

As there would actually have been a "5th Issue" had Yearout known about it. Unless you'd rather consider calling it a combo 3rd & 4th Issue Tool. I've seen them in 45Gov 500 Grs, and 45-90 thus far.

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There is also what I believe is a experimental adjustable chamber 1st Type Spoon handle tool in the Rowe & Curtis book. So I guess you could call that a 1st Issue Sub-Type #2 if you wanted to do so.

All or majority the terms used by Yearout are "Collector's Terms" and were not ever officially used by Winchester. Also if you re-read Yearout, I don't know that he is actually stating that the "2nd, 3rd, & 4th issues" came before one or the other.

But I'm still researching if one issue came before another, and currently do not find any evidence that they did. What is obvious is that the 1st Type Spoon Handle tool did come first, and that the 2nd, 3rd, 4th & 5th likely came on the scene around 1884. With some calibers of the 1880 Tool still being produces as late as 1896.

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