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I visited my local gun shop today and found a Winchester model 53 take down in 25-20 serial # 7148. It is in very nice condition and appears all original.
Winchester data base gave me a mfg date of 1893, I know that is not right. Can someone help me with the mfg date?
Thanks
November 7, 2015
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That would be the manufacture date of an 1892, 53’s started numbering in their own range in 1924, the actual manufacture date of your rifle is 1925. In 1927 they were serialized with the 1892 until 1932, according to the Red Book (which explains it much better than this abridged explanation).
Mike
ETA: oops, misread the tables, past my bedtime. 1926 is correct, of course.
MH
Edward Kitner said
I visited my local gun shop today and found a Winchester model 53 take down in 25-20 serial # 7148. It is in very nice condition and appears all original.Winchester data base gave me a mfg date of 1893, I know that is not right. Can someone help me with the mfg date?
Thanks
Ed,
Model 53 s/n 7148 was manufactured in April 1926.
The first 10,874 Model 53 rifles manufactured were serial numbered 1 – 10874. The final 4,244 Model 53 rifles were serial number in the Model 92 sequence (962189 – 1007405).
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Thanks Bert and TXgunnut.
I am going back today to give it another look over!
Ed
November 7, 2015
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Edward Kitner said
Thanks Bert and TXgunnut.I am going back today to give it another look over!
Ed
Take your bore light! In other repeater models it’s hard to find a 25-20 with a good bore. Haven’t seen enough 53’s in 25-20 to form a consensus. Good luck!
Mike
The 25-20. I got a little too involved in it. Rogertherelic got me interested in that caliber. I thought fine one more caliber to reload for. No big deal.
Mod. 1892 half octagon half mag.1902 vintage. Shooter
Mod.I892 std. full mag. 1917 vintage. Nice blue with some more than normal little scratches. Shooter.
Model 53 (1925) take down with a tang sight. From Harry Vizens in Arizona. Looks like has never been used. Can’t shoot this.
Model 53 lower s/n. That is up in the shed. I shoot this the most.
Last is lowwall in this repeater cartridge. Half octagon. Wood and steel refinished. Not restored. I wanted to see how this caliber would shoot with optics. I set it up in my mill. Drilled and tapped it for scope blocks. I wears a 15x Unertl with a 1 1/2″ obective.
I never thought this little round would be this pleasurable.
I cast my own and recently started powder coating my gas check boolits.
November 7, 2015
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Jeff-
I’ve long been interested in the 25-20 repeater cartridge. I’m only 64 but my fingers do better with a bit larger cartridge as I also love to cast and reload. I love the 32WCF so I’m pretty sure if I could talk my abused fingers into the task I’d enjoy it. I think if I beat the bushes a bit harder I’d find a repeater (or SS!) in 25-20 with a good bore to dabble with we’d be sharing load recipes now. The concept of the small game rifle seems to be lost on today’s hunter, especially here in Texas where the always-in-season feral hog is always a target of opportunity. A small game cartridge is generally a bad idea with a grown hog with the proven inclination to run “both ways”. They sure eat good, though!
Roger steered you right, Jeff. The 25-20 Repeater is a dandy little cartridge. Good Lord willing I’ll live long enough to dabble with it a bit someday..
Mike
Mike, if you want to try a 25-20 ‘repeater’, the Remington model 25 is a lot of fun.
Nevada Paul
Life Member NRA
Paul, Concur about the Remington 25. A very neat little rifle, appears to be a scaled down version of the Pedersen-designed Model 14. I’ve got a 141 in 35 Remington that shucks and shoots like an automatic (if you can tolerate multiple bumps from that steel buttplate…)
Concerning 25-20 rifle bores, there is a significant date: the year Remington introduced Kleen-Bore non-corrosive priming in 1927. The tub toy condition Model 92 rifle I had restored, for all of the indignities visited upon it had a spotless bore. The barrel date is 1929. It may have been re-barreled because the serial number is 980,264 which, I think, indicates a 1927 rifle.
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
Zebulon said
Paul, Concur about the Remington 25. A very neat little rifle, appears to be a scaled down version of the Pedersen-designed Model 14. I’ve got a 141 in 35 Remington that shucks and shoots like an automatic (if you can tolerate multiple bumps from that steel buttplate…)Concerning 25-20 rifle bores, there is a significant date: the year Remington introduced Kleen-Bore non-corrosive priming in 1927. The tub toy condition Model 92 rifle I had restored, for all of the indignities visited upon it had a spotless bore. The barrel date is 1929. It may have been re-barreled because the serial number is 980,264 which, I think, indicates a 1927 rifle.
Bill,
Model 92 s/n 980264 was manufactured in the spring of the year 1929… the barrel date is spot on.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert H. said
Zebulon said
Paul, Concur about the Remington 25. A very neat little rifle, appears to be a scaled down version of the Pedersen-designed Model 14. I’ve got a 141 in 35 Remington that shucks and shoots like an automatic (if you can tolerate multiple bumps from that steel buttplate…)
Concerning 25-20 rifle bores, there is a significant date: the year Remington introduced Kleen-Bore non-corrosive priming in 1927. The tub toy condition Model 92 rifle I had restored, for all of the indignities visited upon it had a spotless bore. The barrel date is 1929. It may have been re-barreled because the serial number is 980,264 which, I think, indicates a 1927 rifle.
Bill,
Model 92 s/n 980264 was manufactured in the spring of the year 1929… the barrel date is spot on.
Bert
Bert, Thanks. That makes sense. I’ll update my file on the rifle.
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
To ad a little more data about this rifle.
Take down model
Model 53
#7148
25-20
Type – 6 upper tang markings
Edward Kitner said
To ad a little more data about this rifle.Take down model
Model 53
#7148
25-20
Type – 6 upper tang markings
Ed,
Can you please verify the barrel date?
The attached picture shows s/n 10064 with a “27” dated barrel. Your rifle should have a “26” dated barrel.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert, the number is under the lug and difficult to see. The lug does not have a slot cut into the bottom as your example does. When I get the light just right I can see a “27” and not a “26”.
Ed
Edward Kitner said
Bert, the number is under the lug and difficult to see. The lug does not have a slot cut into the bottom as your example does. When I get the light just right I can see a “27” and not a “26”.Ed
That is strange… all of the Take Down Model 53s that I have examined have the slot milled in the take down extension ring. Can you send me a clear picture of that area on your rifle?
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
I will try to get in some better light conditions today, but my camera is old and the close up function does not work well anymore. But I will try!
Ed
Edward Kitner said
I will try to get in some better light conditions today, but my camera is old and the close up function does not work well anymore. But I will try!Ed
Thanks… I appreciate it.
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Edward Kitner said
Bert, I hope this is ok.
Ed
Hmmm… it appears that the .25 caliber rifles may have used a slightly smaller profile barrel than those for the .32 and .44 rifles, thereby using a slightly different take down extension ring.
Here is another picture (a .44 caliber Model 53).
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
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