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1894 rifle for Bert's survey
June 15, 2019
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Bert,

I picked up an 1894 rifle in 32WS. Barrel is half octagon and it is a take down with half magazine. Sights are sporting  front and rear. Sn is 304042

June 16, 2019
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Your rifle is in the serial number range for which factory records exist and therefore is too early for the survey.

You might be interested in ordering a letter for your rifle, however.

August 8, 2019
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Bill,

Thanks for the effort, but all of those rifles are too early for the survey. I am only recording the information for the serial numbers that cannot be lettered, 354000 through 2600011, and for serial numbers 1 - 7999 (First Models). If the serial number is 8000 through 353999, the factor ledgers exist and can be accessed through the CFM records office.

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August 8, 2019
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August 10, 2019
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Bill,

You batted .500 on this attempt. The 1941 Carbine was a new entry.

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Bert

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August 11, 2019
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Bill Hanzel said
And then there was one.....

https://auctions.thegunrunner.com/lots/view/1-25EN1H/winchester-94-src-30wcf-cal-lever-action-carbine-20-barrel-1912  

You just raised your batting average!

Thanks,

Bert

 

p.s. I just spent the better part of the entire day scanning through 2-dozen old auction catalogs, and in doing so, I added more than 50 new Model 1894/94 serial numbers to the survey today!

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August 11, 2019
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30-30 carbine #1,268716.

August 11, 2019
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eastbank said
30-30 carbine #1,268716.  

Thanks... you had previously given me the information on it.

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August 11, 2019
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sorry, CRS.

August 11, 2019
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That does not sound like a bad way to spend a day! 

August 19, 2019
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I have 7 in the # range you are looking for.  what info besides the sn do you need?

August 20, 2019
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Mlawrenceconstruction@gmail.com said
I have 7 in the # range you are looking for.  what info besides the sn do you need?  

1. Caliber?

2. Variation (e.g. Sporting Rifle, ELW, SRC, Eastern Carbine, Trapper Carbine, etc)?

3. Barrel length & contour?

4. Magazine tube length?

5. Solid frame or Take Down?

6. Butt stock configuration (e.g. straight grip or pistol grip)?

7. Plain stocks or checkered (if checkered, which pattern)?

8. Sight configuration?

9. Special order features?

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I will get info tomorrow for those- I was able to letter sn#4283 From Cody. Standard Rifle, octagonal barrel, 26" (now a very well executed-cant decern from factory work- 21") 32-40.  Im assuming it shipped on May 13 1895 with a 26" barrel because the barrel length is not stated on the letter. I would think if it was non standard it would be listed that way

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Here are 6  the 7th one you have in your Eastern Carbine survey #778574

#367341 SRC, 32ws, ladder sight, Aug 14 dated barrel. ( has had a tang sight removed at some point you can see where the bluing was protected)

#470371 rifle 30wcf, Buckhorn, 3/4 mag, oct barrel. (barrel may have been replaced as the barrel doesnt have the proof stamp on top but the receiver does)

#585417 SRC, 30wcf, multi leaf, 3/4 mag.

#639773 SRC, 30wfc, ladder sight.

#857288 SRC, 30wfc, buckhorn sight

#883691 SRC, 30WFC, rear sight missing.

 

All wood is standard walnut, nothing special.  

August 21, 2019
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Mlawrenceconstruction@gmail.com said
I will get info tomorrow for those- I was able to letter sn#4283 From Cody. Standard Rifle, octagonal barrel, 26" (now a very well executed-cant decern from factory work- 21") 32-40.  Im assuming it shipped on May 13 1895 with a 26" barrel because the barrel length is not stated on the letter. I would think if it was non standard it would be listed that way  

The barrel length was originally 26-inches.

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August 21, 2019
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Based on my survey results, the vast majority of the Model 1894 Carbines were stocked with gumwood versus walnut.  Can you provide pictures of each gun?

What is the distance from the end of the magazine tube to the muzzle face on serial number 585417?  A ¾ length Mag tube is a rare feature on a SRC.  I suspect that it is actually a ⅔ length Mag tube was relatively common.

Where on the barrel is the caliber marking located for serial number 470371 ? Based on the serial number, it was manufactured late in the year 1910, and at that time, the caliber marking was located on the left (10 o'clock) barrel flat on octagon barrels.

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August 21, 2019
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I think you are correct on the magazine, it is 7 1/4" from the end of the barrel to the magazine. for #585417

The 30 wfc on 470371 is at the 12 o'clock position.  I believe the barrel is earlier than the rifle due to that and the lack of proof stamp at the 12 o'clock pos.  Looks to have been that way for a while based on finish wear which looks as it should but who knows.

I will get pics.

857288 is gum wood 

585417 is hard to tell the wood is so dark (looks black from across the room) Im pretty sure its walnut but Ill have to pull the butt plate to confirm.

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