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Tim sent this to me some time back. He is shooting a bench rest rifle in 6 mm PPC at 100 yds. As do most BR shooters. I don’t know the bullet weight but the guys I know use either a 105 gr. or a 108 gr. This is a 10 shot group.
Nice, but he managed to miss that nice bright orange bullseye every single shot!
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Bert H. said
Nice, but he managed to miss that nice bright orange bullseye every single shot!
That miss is on purpose. They shoot for group size and never want to destroy their aim point. He will have to tell you where he was holding. Forgot to say this was shot during a match with around 15 competitors.
Chuck said
Tim sent this to me some time back. He is shooting a bench rest rifle in 6 mm PPC at 100 yds. As do most BR shooters. I don’t know the bullet weight but the guys I know use either a 105 gr. or a 108 gr. This is a 10 shot group.
I have a Remington-Keene in .433 caliber and I can shoot a group like that any day of the week. And I only need one shot to do it 
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steve004 said
Chuck said
Tim sent this to me some time back. He is shooting a bench rest rifle in 6 mm PPC at 100 yds. As do most BR shooters. I don’t know the bullet weight but the guys I know use either a 105 gr. or a 108 gr. This is a 10 shot group.
I have a Remington-Keene in .433 caliber and I can shoot a group like that any day of the week. And I only need one shot to do it
I’m in that club, Steve! My prospects of a one hole group are greatly diminished on subsequent trigger pulls. I don’t know much about BR shooting, I figured he was just saving that paster for later! Nice shooting, Tim. All this time I thought you were “just” a top tier shotgun shooter.
Mike
steve004 said
Chuck said
Tim sent this to me some time back. He is shooting a bench rest rifle in 6 mm PPC at 100 yds. As do most BR shooters. I don’t know the bullet weight but the guys I know use either a 105 gr. or a 108 gr. This is a 10 shot group.
I have a Remington-Keene in .433 caliber and I can shoot a group like that any day of the week. And I only need one shot to do it
Beat me to it Steve, but I was thinking 45-90.
I can’t even begin to recall all the exceedingly nice one shot groups I’ve had! I have also had many 8 and 9 shot groups like or similar to the one shown, but do something different and double the size on shots 9 or 10. AS said previously, I am the great variable. I won’t go into the details to produce the ammo. But I WILL say the bullet I use is the Berger .243 diameter Column bullet weighing 64 grains. The rifle has a 1 in 13 twist and is designed to give max velocity and shoot at 100 yards. I got it from a bench rest competitor and gunsmith in CO, and he used the other barrel (its a switch barrel set up) in .22 PPC (short). The 6mm PPC barrel was essentially unused when I got it and I’ve loaded to rather mild levels trying to get more life out of the barrel. I have not used a chronograph on the load I use, rather loaded and shot for group size. But I am WAY BELOW what many on online advise to use! I am like Mike–I am now too old to get too adventuresome!! And I have lucked out so many times in other ways, my luck may be getting used up. Tim BTW really GOOD bench rest shooters can do this most every time. I hope to repeat or come close come spring.
Tim, is the PPC case based on the 22 version of the Kalashnikov case, modified to use a small rifle primer?
Bill
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oldcrankyyankee said
steve004 said
Chuck said
Tim sent this to me some time back. He is shooting a bench rest rifle in 6 mm PPC at 100 yds. As do most BR shooters. I don’t know the bullet weight but the guys I know use either a 105 gr. or a 108 gr. This is a 10 shot group.
I have a Remington-Keene in .433 caliber and I can shoot a group like that any day of the week. And I only need one shot to do it
Beat me to it Steve, but I was thinking 45-90.
Not to brag, but I think I can shoot a smaller one-shot group with my .433 than any one can do with a .45-90
Zeb, The 6mmPPC originally used resized .220 Russian cases. Lapua still is the highest quality I think but about impossible to get now. Norma makes them in the 6mmPPC so no forming needed and they are still pretty good cases. As I think I understand the original idea was to use a short, fat case with a certain size flash hole to obtain a flame front that burned progressively from just in front of the base going forward as the powder is consumed and ejected itself from the case with the bullet. That is why the case was selected as it uses a small rifle primer and has a set flash hole diameter, etc. I have a few well experienced Lapua cases and I do see differences in case capacity with the Norma being a bit roomier. I have not filled with water and weighed the water as I don’t care as long as the cases are weight sorted for a batch of at least 10, preferably 12 or 13 “just in case” something goes wrong. Some of this gets well into the weeds and not sure I know enough. Call if you wish to pursue the discussion of how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. I bet Steve knows more on this than I do! Tim
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